From: Dan Waniek
Message: 28920
Date: 2003-12-29
> 29-12-03 12:54, Mate Kapovic wrote:(*wa:tra:). We have
>
> > I think this loan must be older, already in Proto-Slavic
> > it in Bulg vatra, Czech older and dial. vatra, Slovak vatra,Polish dial.
> > watra, Ukr. vatra and Croat vatra. But also there are RussianChurch Slavic
> > obatriti seN "fire up", Russian vatrushka "roasted pasta or smthlike that",
> > Ukr vatrity "to burn".it is not
> > Some tend to connect it with IIr (like Avestan a:tarsh etc.) but
> > so plausable as we would expect prothetic *j- here, not *w- (*v-). Also,
> > Albanian has votrë, votër.*otrë >
>
> The prothetic /v-/ is of Albanian origin: pre-Albanian *a:tra: >
> Geg votër, Tosk vatër (a regular development) --> Romanianvatrã
> (whether substratal or borrowed more recently). There can belittle
> doubt that the word spread throughout the Carpathian thanks toin the
> Daco-Romanian speakers (Polish dialectal <watra> is found _only_
> mountains). <ob-atriti se~> might be a separate case (perhaps anreflects the
> isolated survival of an inherited word -- at any rate it calls for
> separate examination). As for *a:tra: 'hearth, a fire'), it
> old instrumental noun *h2ah1-trom from *h2ah1- 'burn' (femininisedin
> pre-Albanian). Iranian shows reflexes derivatives of the relatedfire'
> masculine agent noun *h2áh1-to:r 'he that burns' --> 'sacred
> a:tar-/a:þr-, etc.).Piotr,
>
> Piotr