Dan Waniek wrote:
>> Is there any possibility that Pokorny root # 1737 (s)ker-3, to turn,
> to bend, might be implied in these two ?
I doubt here about (s)ker > cre- > crã- in Rom.
Usualy the methathesis does not appear in Rom. (regardleess some
phantesist Latin etymologies) .
A root like (s)ker- should have yelded an "scâr-" or "câr-" in Rom. if
monosyllabic or "scãr-" or "cãr-" if polly-syllabic due suffixation.
I think now at "scãrmãna"=to card, to trahs (cf DEX > unknown etymology,
since Latin "carmina" is too far away semanticaly:-)); I think too at
the adj. "cârn"=snub-nosed (cf DEX < Slavic "krUnU). These words appear
to be related too to "(s)ker.
One can bring here the substratual words as "cârlig"(hook, cf
DEX --unexplained), "carlionT"(look, ringlet, cf DEX unkn. etym.)),
"încârliga"( to bend , to coil, cf DEX from "cârlig"), "cârcel"
(cramp)etc.
The boulde of words as "cârmã" (helm, rudder, cf DEX < Slavic "krUma"
,"cârmi" (to turn, cf DEX from Slavic "krUmiti"), "cârni" (to turn, to
cut something of , cf DEX from "cârn"), "cârmuire, ocârmuire(to lead, cf
DEX from "cârmã").
Maybe "cârti" ( tu grumble, cf DEX unknown etym.) etc.etc.
The root *(s)ker is one of the very productive roots, thus there are a
lot of words of this root which can be mentionated but how I say, the
change to "cre-", "crã-" appears improbable.
> Afterall we have Greek ku/rkos and Homeric kru/kos. Some uranoscopic
> speculation... (I literally mean 'looking at skies into the
> observational mirror' at solstices, like David). Hmm... A long story
> and lots of critics.
>
> On the hrugga side I remember Romanian crug, from Old Slavic Church
> (aksl. krogî - my own attempt of UTF-8 "translation") like
> in 'crugul anilor.
the change og > ug appears unusual. Since it appears there has been an
"u" already in Latin and Gothic, I don't see why it should be simpler to
assume Slavic "krogu" > "crug". This Slavic word is a loanword into
Slavic, isn't it?
>
> I also see in Pokorny (s)kregh-, nasaliert: (s)krengh-:
>
> Furhter Gallic *krouka, *kro:kka, after Warburg (FEW 2, 1367), Old
> Icelandic hru:ga Am I still on track ?
>
> Any possible connection here?
I don't know what meaning has the nasal form (s)krengh- but in Rom.
there is the word "crâng" which means "grove, spinney, forest" and is
considerd to be a loan from Slavic "krongu". I am not aware of the
meaning of Slavic "krongu" but again the same situation here. There has
ben an "u" , and one has to take the Slavic "o~" for obtaining this time
an "ân".
> Dan
Alex