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cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "alex" <alxmoeller@...> wrote:
> Dan Waniek wrote:
> >
> > In any case, for linguistical matters, let us go back to
cybalist.
> > You are kindly invited to exert your competence there, in
comments
> > about etyma for Crãciun, Romanian for Christmas.
>
>
> So far I remember we discussed about this topic and there is no
result
> of of it. The "traditionalists" will explain this word trough Latin
> "creationem". Some other people try to trace it back to the
tradition of
> the mistletoe tree and the limb of it used in the feasts of the
winter.
> What appears interesting here is that the word for "limb" is in
Rom.
> "cracã" ( see Latin crucix Gothic "hrugga", PIE root unsure?).
>
> Alex
So Creationem, cracã (Gothic hrugga) are our very interesting, if
opposed candidates.
Is there any possibility that Pokorny root # 1737 (s)ker-3, to turn,
to bend, might be implied in these two ?
Afterall we have Greek ku/rkos and Homeric kru/kos. Some uranoscopic
speculation... (I literally mean 'looking at skies into the
observational mirror' at solstices, like David). Hmm... A long story
and lots of critics.
On the hrugga side I remember Romanian crug, from Old Slavic Church
(aksl. krogî - my own attempt of UTF-8 "translation") like
in 'crugul anilor.
I also see in Pokorny (s)kregh-, nasaliert: (s)krengh-:
Furhter Gallic *krouka, *kro:kka, after Warburg (FEW 2, 1367), Old
Icelandic hru:ga Am I still on track ?
Any possible connection here?
I particularly appreciated the 'vâsc' reference, with all
connotations, including phonetical methatesis in variants.
I will not dwell in speculations thereof, not yet, at least, for
Piotr's sake, but I think of a third possibility. Please, also look
under Old Briton in Latin inscriptions (Pokorny's abrit.-lat)
Penno-crucium
Considering the all-important little but sharp instrument of Kronus,
so ubiquitous in archeological representations of all celtic
antiquities, and the "stopping short" of the yearly solar descent,
contemplated at midday on some gnomonic tree-top, you know, right
where the mistletoe 'limb' is cut, what about this:
Penno-crucium > Penno-Crãciun
(Piotr, please don't cry wolf yet : )
Thank you very much Alex. You brought me peace of mind, and very
inquisitive and inspiring references, as you see.
Yours,
Dan