On Fri, Dec 26, 2003, at 03:34 PM, m_iacomi wrote:
>> There is no way. Despite the pseudoargumentation of Mr Iacomi here,
>> there is no way of obtaining from Latin "e" an "u".
>
> Well, you just (1) read again. If that's not enough, GOTO (1).
>
> Have fun,
> Marius Iacomi
Whenever making judgments on what's plausible and
not in the transformation of Latin <de> into
Romanian varians of the same <de>, one should
keep in mind that contemporary occurrences aren't
*direct* results of Latin [e] > Romanian [u]. But
they're results of intermediaries, from that
obscure Common Romanian up to contemporary
Romanian dialects and subdialects. <dupã> is
only one variant, that happens to have been
selected as the pan-Romanian (that is Daco-Romanian)
official term.
But we should remember, in this phonetics
environment, that in most Daco-Romanian subdialectal
areas (esp. whole Oltenia & Muntenia, Banate and
Western Transylvania) <de> is <dã> [d&], both as
the preposition <de> and as the <prefix> <de->
and the prefix <des-> (e.g. <deschide> = popular
in many areas <dã$chide>).
So, apart from [i] and [I], between Latin [e] and
®omanian [u], in this lexical environment, there
has played a major role the schwa.
(It's not enough to barely-generally know that the
Moldovanian *tends* to pronounce the preposition
<de> [di], the Southerner Muntenian [d&], the
central Transylvanian [g^e]. I dare place bets
that the overwhelming majority of the Muntenian
native-speakers don't realize that in the
subdialectal areas describing a Western arch
or crescent, say, between Cârlibaba and Mehe-
dintzi [an area bordering Transcarpathian Ukraine,
Hungary, Serbia] the native-speakers over there
don't say [g^e] as the proverbial and legendary
Transylvanian is supposed to do, but the very
same [d&], which is so characteristic of Muntenia
incl. Bucharest.) (So, I expect reactions, that
have become usual, saying "I've never heard that,"
"there ain't such things like that." :-))
merry Xmas,
George
--
"Corinditzã cu coditzã, corinditzã cu coditzã,
corinde-mi, Doamne!" (Western Romanian rhotacism
alive and kickin' in Xmas carols)