Re: PIE *kseubh

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "alex" <alxmoeller@...> wrote:

> This root is supposed to be the root where Alb. "shapi" and Rom.
> "sopârlã" derived.
> Do I make any mistake or the name for lizard has no other

derivatives in

> Alb?
> I mean, if the root is indeed "kseubh-" (schwanken, in schwingender
> Bewegung sein) are there other words which will show more about

reflexes

> of *kseubh- in Albanian?
>
> I try to make the paralel here with the derivative in Rom. where

there

> are at least 3 verbs and a noun derived directly from "kseubh-":
> 1)Sovãi= to hesitate
> 2)Sopârlã= Lizard
> 3)Sopãi= to speak with a very low tone (interj. "Sopa!")
> 4)Sopoti = to make a very low noises
>
> No 4 is given as deriving from Slavic "s^IpUtU" but I > o is not
> posible, but suffix
> 1) & 2) are given with unknown etymology
> 3) is given as onomatopea, from "Sopa"
>
> If we take in consideration Latin "x" became "s" long time before

Romans

> entered in Balkan, one has to assume the change "ks" >"s" was not
> singular in Latin since it happened in substratual words too (at

least

> at begining of the word).
> So, one has:
> PIE ks > s, Latin x > s
> It seems the PIE short "u" was rendered in the lang. of substrate

more

> open, kind of "o" ( would it explain Alb. "a" in shapi too?)
> *kseubh > *seubh : this *seubh should be the word which changed

later

> trough suffixation.
> The change of "bh" once to "p" and once to "v" is determined by the

next

> vowel. When followed as usual by a front vowel, the "bh" > "v"; when
> followed by a back vowel, it became "p".
>
> Thus, for "Sovãi" one will think at the following changes ( with an

open

> "u" , kind of "o") ( bh + front vowel[e])
>
> *seubh+eni > Suoveni >Sovãn'i > Sovãi
>
> For bh + back vowel:
> *seubh + arla > Suoparla >Sopãrla > Sopârlã
> *suebh + ani > Suopani >Sopãn'i >Sopãi
>
>
> The suffix "-ârla" was tried to be explained by a lot of people. It

stil

> remains of unknown origin. It is pretty productive making nouns out

of

> other nouns as for instance:codârlã (coda +arla);
>
> I wonder if there is more lexical material in Albanian for seing how
> there the PIE *kseubh developed beside "shapi".
>
> Alex

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*ghos-ti `stranger, guest `someone with whom one has reciprocal
duties of hospitality'
As aspirated velar, as aspirated palatal, seems to yield in Albanian
dental /d/: g^heim - > dimër `winter', *g^hord- > dardhë `pear',
*g^he:ra: > dorë and, in our case, *ghos-ti > Alb. <me dashtë>
infinitive of the verb <due/dua> `to love', <dashamirë> `well-
wishing, well-meaning'. But suffixed zero-grade form *ghs-en- > Alb.
< i huej/i huaj `stranger' < *ghson < *ghse:n (cf. Greek
<ksenos> `id.)
I think that PIE root *kseubh- `to sway, to swing' will derive in
Albanian, in best case, <hep> `crack' (*sk > h, *eu >e) and zero-
grade form *skub- > hup `to lose' or nasalized form <humb> `id.',
until <shap> I think is of Turkish origin <shab> `thrush' and can't
be of Slavic oirgin, because we are not aware of any case where
Slavic /s/ yields in Albanian /sh/.

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