Re: Non-Indo-European in Germanic

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "tgpedersen" <tgpedersen@...> wrote:

> --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "studey22" <lookwhoscross-
> eyednow@...> wrote:
> > --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "tgpedersen" <tgpedersen@...>
> > wrote:
> > > In a footnote Udolph mentions a rumour (1988) from a colleague

of

> > a
> > > dissertation being written in Minich (but not heard of again in
> > 1993)
> > > according to which the Jastorf culture might have come from the
> > south
> > > (which would fit in with Cimmerians > Cimbri etc).
> >
> > A problem with proposing a Cimmeri-Cimbri connection- mb must
> > precede mm,
>
> Not necessarily. The -mb- of 'lamb' and 'comb' is from -m-,

Medieval

> Danish has 3 sg 'kumbær' (now 'kommer'), but there's no -b- in the
> Old Norse form, and cf. VLatin *omne > *omre > Spanish hombre
> (approx!).

Diabole Domine! The -mb- is primitive here! You cannot deny it!
In Gothic we have /lamb/ "sheep", with a clear /mb/ cluster!
Old Norse has undergone regular assimilation of Proto-Germanic /mb/
in /mm/!
Saying /mm/ is older than /mb/ in 'lamb' and 'comb' has a bad smell
of crackpot.

I think it would be more profitable to discuss in detail any suspect
pre-IE item in Proto-Germanic than to make grotesque skirmish about
Cimmeri and Cimbri.
As for me, Cimbri and Cimmeri are unrelated.
Cimbri is a Celtic noun whose original meaning is "Thiefs" (we have
some glosses).
It may be an ancient loanword: in Denmark we have a region named
Himmerland (with Grimm's law applied).

Are you able to find some cognates to these roots, or to specify an
etymon of Cimmeri?

Sincerely

Marco