Re: [tied] Re:

From: alex
Message: 27656
Date: 2003-11-26

m_iacomi wrote:

> --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "alex" wrote:
>
>>> For the ending, the evolution is perfectly similar to
>>> "calcaneu(s)" > *cãlcãn'u > cãlcâi.
>>
>> :-)))
>>
>> You try to explain a irregularity trough an another irregularity
>> making out a possiblitiy :-))
>
> There is no irregularity. The word "cãlcân'" is alive in Banat
> subdialect. Regular evolution of "n'" (phonetically written on
> cybalist [n^]) is towards a iot in most DR speaking area.

The irregularity is not there but here: "neus" > "i". I suspect you try
to get the "i" from "n'" but it won't stil explain the lost of "eus".
tTe second probability ( so far I remember from the habbits of
romanists) is to assume that the calcaneus > cãlcân'eu > cãlcâieu >
cãlcâie; The form "cãlcâie" has been "felt" as a plural form, thus from
this it was re-made a singular form trough analogy. In this way the
phonetical troubles should be avoided.
Why should have been lost final "eu"? (mereu is an example of keeping
the final "eu". BTW "mereu", I compare it with Germanic mehr, immer and
not as DEX does with Hungarian "merö" which means "fix, rigide").

>> Against your equivalence of calcaneus/cotoneus > cãlcâi/gutui
>> (beside the phonetism) speaks the stress. The word "cãlcâ'i"
>> has the stress on "â", the word "gutuí" has the stress on "i".
>
> Have you had some strong drink before stating the stress is on
> (final) "i" in "gutui"?! The word is /gutúy/, the "i" does not
> even note a vowel but the non-vocalic element of the diphthong
> which cannot be stressed.

> Marius Iacomi

No I don't drink usualy but you are right here. The stress is on "u" not
on "i".

Alex