Re: [tied] Re: Panjabi and Hungarian cognates for dog?

Piotr Gasiorowski wrote:

> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <george.st@...>
> To: <cybalist@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Friday, November 21, 2003 9:17 AM
> Subject: [tied] Re: Panjabi and Hungarian cognates for dog?
>
>
>>> Iranian could easily be the donor language from which
>>> the word spread independently into Indic, Ugric and Bulgarian
>>
>> On top of that, Hungarians assimilated a considerable part
>> of Ossetian population at the beginning of their realm in today's
>> Hung. territory - esp. in the Tisza river plains ...
>
> If Hung. kutya is of Iranian origin, its shape looks pretty archaic.
> It's closer to Proto-Iranian *kuti- than to Proto-Ossetic
> ("Alanic")*kudz^i.
>
> Piotr

It will fit phoneticaly with the Rom. appelative for the pet. As George
already mentioned, the apelative is "cutsu-cutsu"; The last "u" and the
"ts" exclude it as being a loan from Hungarian.
there are some derivatives as "cutsulan", "cutsulache" which means
"little dog" ( Synonim in Rom. with "cãtselandru"). The usual expresion
"sã-mi zici mie cutsu dacã.." should be understood as "you can treate me
as a dog if I ....".
Should be it some Sarmatic-Roxolan reminiscents? Or is there any other
language which has a pattern which will explain the phonetic of the word
in Rom ? DEX tell us just to compare the word with Bulgarian/SrbCr.
"kuc^e", Hung. "kusze"(pronounciation is "kuse")
I would think that the form *kutiu should fit here but should be the
final "u" an analogic one due the general "u" present in a certain time
in ProtoRom?

Alex