Re: [tied] Re: Panjabi and Hungarian cognates for dog?

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From: "Peter P" <peterp@...>
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Sent: Friday, November 21, 2003 1:50 PM
Subject: [tied] Re: Panjabi and Hungarian cognates for dog?



> The Finnish word 'koira' dog, is traced to Uralic *koj- with an
> original meaning of male/man. Is this source ruled out in the
> Hungarian word?
>
> Koira is a fairly new word < koiras, male animal, such as cock, bull,
> male dog. Kolli, tom-cat.

I don't think <kutya> can reflect any derivative of Uralic *koj-.
Incidentally, the other Hungarian word for 'dog', <eb>, is an inherited
Ugric term (< *�mpV). A Hungarian proverb says "Egyik kutya, m�sik eb"
(more or less 'The one is a dog and the other a hound' = 'It's six of the
one and half a dozen of the other'). My guess is that a Steppe Iranian
*kuc'i- (with palatalisation as in Ossetic but without intervocalic voicing)
found its way into Proto-Magyar at a fairly early date.

Piotr