Re: Illyrian=Albanian (2)

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "alexandru_mg3"
<alexandru_mg3@...> wrote:

> Hello Abdulah,
> I don't know if this will help or disturb your explanation (hope

to

> help it) but I will write here what I know about : Arabon / Rabon
> names (source is Vasile P^arvan - Getica) :
>
> Arabon - river attested by Ptolemeu in Panonia
>
> Rabon - (today Jiul) - river attested in today Romania
>
> Also an exclamation was found: "Bessa, Rabo!" regarding

a "bessicae

> princeps".
>
> Parvan considered this word <(a)rabo> a Dacian one (I'm very
> curious regarding a possible PIE for it?).
> (I learned from him the method to compare more similar toponyms

in

> order to identify the possible stems and also the origin of the

word

> (Dacian, Thracian, Ilyrian, Celtic), when the meaning of it is
> unknown.
>
> So ARBON(A) - seems for me very related to (Arabon and Rabon

also

> river names...), and could be an older ARABON
>
> All the Best,
> Marius A.
>
>
> --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "Abdullah Konushevci"
> <a_konushevci@...> wrote:
> > APOLLONIA > Alb. Pojan, same place name with aphearesis, as

Avlona

> >
> > Vlona/Vlora and Astibos > Shtip.
> >
> > In the case of river name VJOSA, attested in antiquity as Aou,

Aia,

> > Aea, Aos, Ana, Aoos, Aous (Scyl. 26, Polyb. V 110,1; XXVII 16,3.
> Liv.
> > XXXII 5,10; 10,2; XXXIII 4,1. Strab. VII 316 Max.. I 5,2. Mela

II

> > 3,57. Plin. NH III 23, 26. Flor. II 7. Ptolem. III 12,2. Cass.

Dio

> > XLI 45. Steph. Lakmon and Parauaioi. Zonar. NH IV I.) I think

that

> > we may suppose a contracted diphthong /ao/ to long /a:/, which
> > derives Alb. Vo- (cf. PIE *a:ter- > Alb. Votër/vatër or

Greek/Latin

> > loans: orphanos/orphanus > Alb. I vorfën/I varfër `poor,

orphan',

> > oleum > Alb. (g.)voj, (t.) vaj `oil'), where palatal glide /j/

is

> > euphonic sound and ending –osa. So oldest form should be Vojosa
>
> > Vëjosa > Vjosa. If I have not forgot, Slavic form Vojuša,

probably

> > via Dalmatian, testifies about this preform.
> >
> > ARBON(A) (Polyb. II 11,15. Steph. s.v.), besides Arbana (place

name

> > in Albania) could be explained through PIE *h3orbh- `to change
> > allegiance or status' > Alb. Arb-, root of Albanian national

name

> in
> > Middle Age Arban/Arbër < *h3orb-en, that undergoes metathesis of
> > liquids in Slavic form Raban, Rabanaški. Form as katundi

(village)

> > Arbanash is attested more than 40 times in different Slavic
> documents.
> >
> > ERENIK, river name in Kosova. According to my view, it is of

Celtic

> > origin < *aire `strong river', through regular evolution of PIE
> > diphthong /*ai/ > /e/ (cf. *baita `goat skin' > Alb. petk

(Buzuku,

> > petëk `clothes', *aig^- > edh `goat kid', etc.). I am not sure
> about
> > other river names, extended in /s/ or /z/: Ersekë and Erzen in
> > Albania.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Konushevci

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Hello Marius,
Arbon(a), according to Polybii Historiae, book II 11,15, based on
the edition L. Dindorfio, vol I-V. Lipsiae in aedibus B.G. Teubneri,
1882-1924, is Illyrian city, where they find refugee, after they
were defeated by Romans. According to Stfanus De urbibis et populis,
it is also Illyrian city; inhabitants ethnic name were Arbonios and
Arbonites.
I believe that you haven't notice that there is a little difference
between them: AR-BON(A) and AR-A-BON.

Konushevci