Re: [tied] More Rough Sounds (was: -kt-)

At 7:26:05 PM on Tuesday, November 18, 2003, Richard Wordingham wrote:

> --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "Brian M. Scott"
> <BMScott@...> wrote:

>> At 4:55:31 PM on Tuesday, November 18, 2003, Richard
>> Wordingham wrote:

>>> The problem is that the vowel in English has become
>>> lower and more central than IPA [V], and the IPA symbol
>>> for the current vowel is the one traditionally used for
>>> the Received Pronunciation (RP) of "bird". If I'd
>>> written [r3f], I'd have caused confusion.

>> The current vowel is written [V] in the transcription of
>> American English in the Handbook of the IPA. It's a
>> little lower than [3]; in fact, Ladefoged puts it just
>> about at turned-a.

> This practice is naughty; if one looks at the chart at
> http://www.i-foo.com/~kturtle/misc/xsamchart.gif , one
> will see that [V] is the unrounded equivalent of [O]. My
> [r3_of] seems a little bit Northern, but even fewer would
> have understood me if I'd written [r6f].

The IPA apparently sanctions the use of [V] for a vowel in
the neighborhood of turned-a; they hold the copyright on the
Handbook, and the introduction explicitly notes this usage.
Pullum and Ladusaw indicate that in both British and U.S.
usage it's likely not to be the unrounded equivalent of [O],
though just what it's likely to be varies.

Brian