Re: [tied] Re: Albanian names (2) -> Besa, Besiana ("Google 1720" t

04-11-03 21:36, alex wrote:

> Of course it could not be derived from Latin "pax" or from "pacis"
> because there is no way of getting "-ca" at the end, thus it was
> supposed already the "-ca" in the joker which is the Vulgare Latin.

It's a ridiculous objection. There are few things more productive that
the formation of verbs in -a:- in Latin.

> The problem which I have in this case is with "sorrë" and "cioarã; on
> your idea there should have been an *k^wore for having the actual Rom.
> and Alb. words; does it works? Only with the condition "k^w" > "cio" and
> that will mean the /k^/ have had an kind of frontvowel, something which
> allowed to become actual "c^" for giving later the Alb. "s".

*k^w > PAlb. *c^ > Alb. s no matter if a front vowel follows or not.
Apparently the satemised stop itself was sufficiently palatal. As for
the <i> in <cioa> (/c^oa/), it's only orthographic and doesn't represent
a separate segment.

> I have a bad feeling that one of the languages of the Balkans have
> changed the old /p/, /t/, /k/ in /b/,/d/,/g/ but we don'T know to name
> it ( illirian, thracian?) either we know in which exactly conditions
> this happened. Or it was the /bh/, /dh/, /gh/ which undergone this shift
> to /p/, /t/, /k/ ? Stil a lot of fog here. I guess I have to re-read a
> bit about Deçev's suggestions on this aspect. I have had this idea when
> we spoked about "ognis" and the "bher-" root. You accentuated now this
> feeling that there should be done some more research.

Wake up, Alex. Your bad feeling is a nightmare -- a condition of your
own imagination.

Piotr