Re: [tied] Re: Albanian Names

Piotr Gasiorowski wrote:

> Since several webpage authors deliberately spell "King Bardhyl(us)" à
> l'albanaise (and "explain" it romantically as 'White Star' or the
> like), I'd like to remind the list that the historical Bardu:lis
> [sic!] ruled Illyria, and his name could be considered
> "Daco-Thracian" only if it could be shown that Dacian, Thracian and
> Illyrian were the same damn thing. No ancient author provides a gloss
> for the name, so a connection with Alb. bardhë is motivated primarily
> by wishful thinking. Bardu:lis could be etymologised in other ways,
> more in accordance with the IE onomastic tendencies, e.g. as 'having
> a (small) beard' from *bHardH- (cf. Barbula as a Latin cognomen).
>
> Piotr

if Alb. shouldn't be a living language and we shouldnt't know what means
"bardhë" in Alb., we should eassy be tempted to try to link Alb.
"bardhë" to IE *bhardha- which should be simply wrong.

P.S. Germanic "bart" seems to be the word wherefrom the Hungrian "bart"
was loaned. It won't explain the Rom. "d" in "bardã"(axt,beil; cf DEX
from Hungarian "bart") with "d"; the "d" is known just in WestGermanic;
The phonetic change t>d or "rd" > "rt" should appear as unnormal since
the "rt" and "rd" is very present in Rom(urdã, surd, ard, bortã, burtã,
spartã, etc). Should one think that the word is not a loan via Hungarian
but directly from Germanic speakers to an early time? If yes, then the
loan must have been loaned after de > ze/zã or the word loaned word was
"barda" with final "a" and not "e".

Alex