Abdullah Konushevci wrote:
>> (12) oborî(to put down),-yes
OK, one wants to see why I doubt about same of them. For instance
"oborî" to put down is considered to be Slavic. You mean it is Slavic
too. I have my doubts because:
-the verb has a tematic conjugation " obor, obori, oboarã" and it is
usualy not aplayable to Slavic loans
-there are the verbs "doborî" (to fell something down, to knock down; to
fell; (fig) to over-throw; to defeat) with unknown etymology
- there is the verb "coborî" (to lower; (a înjosi) to debase vi to go
down/off; coborî de pe cal to dismount; (de pe munte) to climb down; to
descend; (din vehicul) to get out/off; (a apune) to set down; (d
temperatura) to fall; (d preturi) to drop; (în zbor) to alight vr to get
off; (din) to get/go (out, of, from); (fig) to degrade oneself.The
etymology of this one is too with unknon etymology, DEX means "see
pogorî"
-there is the verb "pogorî" which means the same as "coborî" and is with
unknown etymology too.
-there is the verb "scoborî" with the same meaning as "coborî", just
prefixed with "s-"
The word "pogorî" seems to me to be Slavic. If one accept that pogorî is
a compound of Slavic po+gore (on mountain)
then the verb "pogorî" appears to be Slavic indeed but the rest it does
not appear to be Slavic.
About the rest, my opinion is that here one has to deal with the root
"bor-" here (extened with "c" in some exemples). This could reflect a
substratual word from /o/ grade of *PIE bher-, Pokorny #229 with the
meaning of "erheben, aufheben" .
One will ask why I consider this can be substratual one?
I guess in Dacian we have some data for making maybe a connection. ( I
say Dacian because just in Dacian space , not in the Thracian one I have
these testimonies).
Thus , it is very possible that one word for "mountain" or "high place"
has been in Dacian "bor-" or "bur-".
We have ancient topoynms in Dacia as "Buridava", Tribe name as
"Buridavenses". The suffix "-ca" is for sure of substratual origin and
it is several time found in Dacian toponyms.What will make the
connection with Dacian data and actual Romanian language?Well, verbs as
"aburca"= to go up on the mountains and toponyms as "Borcea" and
"Borceni"
I could not connect the presumabely *borc with Germanic "berg" from PIE
*bhereg^- because of "g" in Germanic, "g^" in PIe and "c" in Romania.
aburca; cf DEX unknown etymology: like "urca"
urca : vt (scara) to mount; (un munte) to climb ; (preturile) to raise;
(a înalta) to put up vi to rise; (a crste) to grow up; (într-un) to get
up; cf DEX = maybe from Latin *oricare ( = oriri)
Alex