Re: Albanian, pronouns,plural

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "alex" <alxmoeller@...> wrote:

> Abdullah Konushevci wrote:
> > My opinion is that Mr. Ramsusen's claim is very sceintific one and
> > his attitude that the reflex of *s- is to be gj-, and that /j-/ is
> > reduced form, for me, is some kind of genius penetration on the

heart

> > of the problem (cf. also bilabial extended root *sal-b- and Alb. i
> > gjelbtë 'salted' and <i njelmtë> 'id.', besied many dialectal

forms

> > like: njoh 'to know' and ngjoh 'id.', <njeh> 'to count' and
> > <ngjeh> 'id.' etc.).
> > So, nominative <ajo> 'she' is truely derived from *au-saH2> au-

sa:> a

> > (g)jo, where *au-3 (Pokorny) is adverb 'away' that form binary
> > opposition with *ko(m) > kë-, Lat. co- 'beside, near', that forms

as

> > first element demonstrative pronoun kjo 'this' < *ko(m)-saH2> ko-
> > sa:>kë(g)jo. Gen.-Dat.-Abl. (a)saj are derived from basic

pronominal

> > stem *so. But acc. atë 'her, his' is derived from *au-tom > atâ: >
> > atâ/atë.
> > The binary opposition *au- vs. *ko(m)- was much better preserved

in

> > adverbs: <aty> 'there' and <këtu> 'here'.
> > Also <jonë> 'our' < *saH2 + *nos is very logical derivation.
> > The plural forms <ata/ato> they are derived from pronominal stem

*to-.

> > Only doubt about Alb. demonstrative pronouns I have regarding

nom.sg.

> > masc. <ai> 'he' and <ky/ki>, which I doubt are formed: *au-i > ai

and

> > *ko(m)-i>ki or *ku(m)-i > kui >ky
> >
> > Konushevci
>
> You touched the point where it seems something is not very clear and
> this was the point how made me to think that the "aj/ajo" are not

the

> reflexses of "sa-".
> Assuming *au-saH > ajo, one accepts that the reflex of "s" is "gj"

which

> can be simplified to "j".
> Assuming that (a)saj is the reflex of *so-, then here we have a "s"
> reflex of "so-" the Alb. (a)saj.
> Is there not a contradiction?
>
> Alex

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No, I think that your wrong again, because /s/ followed by stressed
vowel: in our case we have regular sequence *saH2-> contracted to
*sa: > gjo > j, yields /j/ and followed by unstressed vowel: in our
case *so- has regular sequence > sa, compare also different behavior
of labiovelars, followed by front vowels and followed by back vowels.
So, to assume: *saH2->*sa:- > gjo and *so- > sa.
Maybe Mr. Rasmusen or others may have better explanation.

Konushevci