Re: [tied] Re: celtic

Piotr Gasiorowski wrote:

> 02-10-03 19:10, alex wrote:
>
>> So far I could accidentally gather from the information exposed with
>> several
>> occasions here, I retained that in Celtic , better said in the
>> "P"-dialects the initial "p" was lost.
>>
>> Question:
>> -what did happen in the "Q"-dialects of Celtic with the initial
>> "q"? Was this lost too as the initial "p" in "P"-group or it was
>> retained?
>
> Pre-Celtic *p- was lost in _all_ of Celtic without exception. The
> change of *kW > p in Gallo-Brittonic ("p-Celtic") was later, and the
> secondary /p/ resulting from it was not lost! In the rest of Celtic
> old *kW simply survived as a dorsal consonant.
>
> Pre-Celtic *kWenkWe 'five' > OIr. cóic; Gaul. pempe, Wel. pump.
>
> Piotr

I guess I got it now. The "wonder" here was in fact one has to deal with
two kind of "p". One older, before kW >p , thus a PIE "p" and a celtic
"p" ( from a PIE "kW.")

Thank you Piotr.