Re: [tied] PIE Stop System

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, Piotr Gasiorowski <gpiotr@...>
wrote:

> 27-09-03 21:28, etherman23 wrote:
>
> > --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, Piotr Gasiorowski
> > <piotr.gasiorowski@...> wrote:
> >> To make things worse, those shifts would have to be very recent:
> >> Gmc. *ri:k- shows the effect of *e: > i: in Celtic, and

the 'hemp'

> >> word can't have been borrowed before hempen products or the plant
> >> itself reached Northern Europe (probably about the 6th c. BC,
> >> courtesy of the Scythians). Greek has <baite:> for Gmc. *paido:.
> >> Would you be prepared to defend the view that there was a change

of

> >> *p > Gk. b during the first millennium BC?
> >
> > Can we be sure that the Celtic word meant hemp originally, and

not

> > something else that was later changed to hemp with the arrival of
> > hempen products?
>
> The 'hemp' word (Gmc. *xanap(i)- < *kanabi-) isn't Celtic; it

probably

> originated somewhere in Central Asia, and, yes, it means 'hemp'
> everywhere, cf. Gk. kannabis. Gmc. *ri:k- 'rule(r)' is from Celtic

ri:g-

> < *(h3)re:g^-. The diagnostically Celtic feature here is the change

of

> *e: > i:, which can't have occurred in Proto-Germanic.

A rope is made of cords.
A cord is made of hemp.
Is hemp good for anything else (except of course..., etc etc)?
(And now I'm thinking of Marc Verhaegen's line of thought that the
existence of the PIE rope/decorate root *d-w-(k-) implies that the
corded ware people spoke PIE.)
Rope is needed in boats.
Is rope needed anywhere else?

Maybe one should look for the originating language of 'kanabi-'.


Rope/decorate/boat stuff:

http://www.angelfire.com/rant/tgpedersen/wgH.html

I can't make heads and tails of it (what else is new?), but there is
_something_ there.

Torsten