Re: [tied] Re: Glue, resin [was: Ducks and Souls]

Abdullah Konushevci wrote:

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>> O-grade form of the verb *kleu- `to hear' derives in Albanian
>> quej/quaj `to call, to name' <kluej (Buzuku) < klounj < *k^lou-
> enyo.
>> But, prefixed form *ndi-k^lou-enyo derives: (g.) ndigoj, nigoj,
> ngoj,
>> (t.) dëgjoj `to hear'. So, under the impact of the prefix *ndi-/ndë-
>
>> <*ant-bhi- (cf. mbë-/mbi- <*ambhi/m.bhi-), PIE verb *k^leu- firstly
>> underwent further palatalization *k^l- > kl- > q and, secondly, in
>> other envirmont, *k^l- > gl- > (g.) g- and (t.) gj- (for
> alternation q>gj before prefix n-, cf. Alb. <qeth> 'to cut' and
> <ngjeth> 'to give the creeps, to make (s.o.) shiver', both from *kaH-
> id- 'to strike, tu cut'). In Slavic, from
>> extended o-grade form *k^lous- > k^lus- we have probably
>> <slušati> `to hear'. I am not sure, but I guess it is so.
>> For this reason, I don't see any problem why *ndi-k^lou-enyo could
>> derives in Albanian <dëgjoj> `to hear', and why not *ndi-gWet-yo
>> couldn't derives <ngjes> `to glue'.
>> Maybe Mr. Rasmussen or Mr. Vidal could help us in explaining such
>> phenomenon.
>> P.S. To be correct, until now, Albanian verb <dëgjoj> `to hear' was
>> treated as loan from Latin <intellegere>, without taking into
> account
>> different dialectal forms of the verb.
>>
>> Konushevci

Why you compare "qeth" and "ngjeth"?.Why they shoud be related to each
other?
It can be that "ngjeth" related to Rom. "îngheTa". The semantic sense is
not identical but the use in one expresion could be understood as such:
"m'u ngjeth shtati" or "m'u ngjeth mishtë" is used as Rom. " am
inghetat" when one speaks about one being frozen because of fear for
instance. The noun "nghethura" means u.a. "Schuttelfrost".

P.S. the Rom. "îngheTa" is given as derivative of "ghiaTã"= ice < Latin
"glacia"
What I wonder is that if you should be right with PIE *kleu > q, then
one is obliged to observe the identical threatment of the PIE cluster
/kl/ in Alb. versus Rom. threatment of Latin cluster /cl/, both
languages making an /k/ from this. Did Alb. reduced everytime the /kl/
to /q/ or just then /kl/ was followed by a front wovel as Rom. did?

Alex

Alex