Re: [tied] PIE Stop System

On Sat, 13 Sep 2003, Piotr Gasiorowski wrote:

> 13-09-03 14:59, Jens Elmegaard Rasmussen wrote:
>
> >
> > On Fri, 12 Sep 2003, etherman23 wrote:
>
> >> The Traditional unvoiced
> >> stops often become either unvoiced aspirates or fricatives in
> >> daughter languages which makes the reinterpretation plausable. The
> >> Tradition voiced stops become unvoiced in Germanic and Armenian, as
> >> well as some minor languages. This reinterpretation then would have
> >> these languages as relic areas.
> >
> > This is at variance with d > t in the earliest of the Iranian loanwords
> in
> > Armenian.
>
> The same argument works for Germanic (early Celtic and eastern loans in
> Germanic show b, d, g > p, t, k).

Unless the words were borrowed in their old forms and only later changed
in the donor languages. I'm merely acting as the devil's advocate here, of
course, but we must expect every conceivable loophole to be utilized. For
Iranian d -> Arm. t this is only open if one takes the donor language to
have been pre-Proto-Indo-Iranian. To my knowledge, nobody has ever claimed
that, but it may be coming.

Jens