Re: [tied] Re: Indo-European for Uralic speakers

On Sejma-Turbino: I agree that Seymino-Turbino would provide a more glamorous ancestry for Finns than the Tacitian Fenni...However, while Sejma-Turbino certainly shows clear connections with Finno-Permic and Volga-Finnic tribes, Parpola and Carpelan are convinced that Sejma-Turbino was a culture that was dominated by an (early) Indo-Aryan speking upper class - just the same way as Abashevo culture ...:( 

Indeed, Seymino-Turbino (S-T) and Abashevo tribes had very tight contacts, there are even common burial sites (however the burials themselves are easily distinctive - Abashevo warriers never were allowed to have the highest class S-T weapons and tools). Thus in this mixture the dominating element was S-T. Their perfect metallurgical skills were just incomparable with the contemporary I-E ones: 

S-T used tin-copper alloys ("real" bronze), whereas the early steppe I-E tribes were acquainted only with arsenicum-copper alloys (arsenic bronze) and just after contacts with S-T began to use tin;

S-T produced superb bushing spearheads and axes (celts), whereas peoples of  Abashevo, Srubnaya and Anronovo cultures could make only primitive hammered spearheads and flat metall axes;

S-T made advanced knives with a side rib, sometimes with fine figurines on the handles, whereas contemporary Indoeuropeans made only small flat knives of a low quality.

 

S-T used defensive armour of bone in contrast with the steppe I-E.

Besides, S-T had their own tradition of horse-breeding distinctive from the Abashevo, Srubnaya and Anronovo ones (one of S-T figurines pictures a skier(!) pulled by a horse).

It seems that people of the Srubnaya cultura (from the forestless steppe) borrowed the idea of the timberwork from S-T (which occupied the southern border of the forest zone and partly forest-steppe).

 

One more argument: the cultures of "textile ceramics" (the Early Iron Age descendants of S-T) appeared on the territories occupied earlier by the Battle-Axe cultures of the I-E origin (Fatyanovo, Balanovo etc.). Thus In the Late Bronze - Early Iron age Finno-Ugric tribes pressed out Indo-European ones. Why? Because they were more economically (technologically) advanced - for those times and those territories. 

I will post a little later some interesting details that you might find interesting.   

It would be great.

 

 

Best regards,

 

Alexander