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> From: Jim Rader <jrader@...>
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> Subject: [tied] Re: Vampire [was: Pagan, heathen ...]
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> Kenneth
> Naylor actually proposed that the word was borrowed from Romanian
> (_Southeastern Europe/L'Europe du Sud-Est_ 10:2, 1983), but could
> not
> supply any Romanian evidence. (Alex, George, and friends? By the
> way, does
> anyone know the earliest sense and etymology of <Nosferatu>?)
Phonetic:
in Rom. there are not the clusters "np", "nb", but "mp", "mb".
the form "dumbrava" appears to be the Rom. rendering of the Slavic word;
The Rom. Lang. even in compounds as in+p**** or in+b*** change this
initialy "n" into an "m"
în(in) +parte (share) > împarte( to share); in + buna (good) > îmbunã
(to calm down, to placate)
Lexical connection to vampir:
- I don't remember of any, I don't feel able to connect to anything in
Rom. If Rom. Lang played any role here, then just in rendering the word
in the way it always does, vanpir > vampir. This is a very new word in
the language; no /ã/ , no /â/ between /p/ & /r/; this is a neologism
entering the language very late.
About Nosferatu: I know the word but I don't know the word in our
mithology or in the speach of peasants. The malefic person in Rom. is
"Nefârtatul" not Nosferatul. I am aware of the /sf/ = /st/ but just when
followed by /i/ as usual in Rom when some funny changes happens. (
nosfiTã= nostiTã); the change is though late since usualy there is no
"sti" in Rom. but "Sti" in the old words.
Alex