From: tgpedersen
Message: 25484
Date: 2003-09-03
> --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, george knysh <gknysh@...> wrote:I read I forgot where that there are two types of society:
> > --- Glen Gordon <glengordon01@...> wrote:
> > >
> > > You should check out the population that frequents
> > > the local gay bar I work at.
> > > . . .
> >
> > *****I wonder if the PIE groups had sanctions and
> > regulations akin to Leviticus 18:22 and 20:13*****
>
> For those who don't have a bible on hand, Leviticus
> 18:22 is "Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with
> womankind: it is abomination.", and Leviticus 20:13
> "If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a
> woman, both of them have commited an abomination:
> they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall
> be upon them.".
>
> I've often wondered the same thing, or at least what
> is the earliest evidence of such thinking in an Indo-
> European language. The only instance I personally
> know of is that from the Vendidad, fargard 8 where it
> says "O Maker of the material world, thou Holy One!
> If a man, by force, commits the unnatural sin [sodomy],
> what is the penalty that he shall pay? Ahura Mazda
> answered: 'Eight hundred stripes with the Aspahe-astra,
> eight hundred stripes with the Sraosho-charana.' O
> Maker of the material world, thou Holy One! If a man
> voluntarily commits the unnatural sin, what is the
> penalty for it? What is the atonement for it? What
> is the cleansing from it? Ahura Mazda answered: 'For
> that deed there is nothing that can pay, nothing that
> can atone, nothing that can cleanse from it; it is a
> trespass for which there is no atonement, for ever and
> ever.'". Does anybody know of anything earlier than
> this? I've never heard of anything comparable in the
> Vedas. In any case, since Christianity and post-exilic
> Judaism are based largely on Zoroastrianism, I think
> we can see the original source of Judeo-Christian
> homophobia here.
>