Re: [tied] Paleo-European?

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "ikpeylough" <ikpeylough@...>
wrote:

> --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, Piotr Gasiorowski
> <piotr.gasiorowski@...> wrote:
> > 13-08-03 06:37, Philippe Fauni-Tanos wrote:
> >
> > > I was wondering, what did the first European H. sapiens sapiens
> > > speak?
> > > Well, I would guess they spoke a Sino-Caucasian language --
> > > probably related to NW and NE Caucasian, Vinca and Hattic. I

call

> > > it Paleo-European, which includes Iberian, Pictish, Ligurian,
> > > "Balko-Danubian" etc. But I would guess Sino-Caucasic could

have

> > > entered Europe c.25-20 kya BCE. Then what did the "Cro-Magnons"
> > > speak 35kya BCE? I can't guess anything but an early form of
> > > "Amerindo-Nostratic-Caucasic" (when they weren't distinguished
> > > from each other yet). I don't know really ... what do you

think?

> >
> > Dear Phil,
> >
> > This list is devoted to discussing Indo-European linguistics and
> > _related_ problems. As the timeline of reconstructible PIE only
> > extends back into the Neolithic, questions like "What did the
> > Cro-Magnon people speak?" are regarded as OT here. Anyway, in my
> > opinion, this particular question is as unaswerable as "What song
> > did the Sirens sing?". For all I know, they may have spoken a
> > language that has left no descendants.
> > You "guess" three times in one short paragraph. I wouldn't like
> > Cybalist discussions to turn into naive guessing games.
> >
> > By the way: Vinca is a complex of archaeological cultures, not a
> > language. How on earth can you know what languages the carriers

of

> > that culture spoke? Pictish, according to current research, was a
> > variety of Brittonic Celtic. Dumping together all little-known

and

> > poorly documented languages into a single superfamily just

because

> > they're equally mysterious is not an acceptable linguistic

method.

> >
> > Piotr
>
> Don't be too hard on Philippe, Piotr. I get the impression that

he's

> new to all this and has only read outdated texts. Even though this
> stuff is OT, it _has_ been discussed here, so Philippe may want to
> search the archives as well as looking at the Nostratic lists,

where

> some of his topics can be discussed.
>
> IKP
>
> P.S. You sound like sherlock Holmes wrt guessing.
> P.P.S. I'm sorry to hear the Siren's Song is OT -- I hold out for

a

> fifties tune :)

piotr, everything concerning ancient languages is a guessing game
because there are no definate answers. sure Vinca may have been an
archaeological complex but it can also be atributed to the language
of that "old european" script since we do not know the formal name,
you might as well call it something.