Re: Kasgian languages (about Elamo-Dravidian, Pelazgian...)

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "John" <jdcroft@...> wrote:

> To Michael's post
>
> > > Could they have been related the Colchians due to their

geographic

> > > position, and maybe have spoke a Hurro-Urartian or Elamo-

Dravidian

> > > language? Of course we can only speculate.
>
> Milos wrote
>
> > Colchians spoke Kartvelian language group (Georgian = Dinaric
> > racial type).
> >
> > Elamo-Dravidian - one Semitic tribe, but in south of India are
> > mixed with Eastern Mediterranean.
> >
> > Dravidians tipical antigens are haplotipe: HLA-A24B35,
> >
> > Explanation:
> >
> > HLA-A24 is Semitic, and HLA-B35 is Eastern Mediterranean racial
> > type in Europe.
> >
> > Antigen HLA-B35 is mostly represented in the Middle East within
> > Palestinians (and Pelazgian descendants in Europe), and also in
> > India - Dravidians and also with Indians of Middle and South
> > America, especially with Aztecs and Mayas and their present
> > descendents in Romanised population of Latin America. ...
> >
> > Antigen HLA-B35 are genetic similar to Dinaric antigen HLA-B5. ...
>
> Regarding the possibility that the Kaska were Karveliian speakers,

it

> is true that at the time Kaska disappeared we find that a new

people -

> the Tabal, appear living in the Taurus Mountains of Anatolia to

the

> south of where Kaska were supposed to live. Tiglath-pileser I, of
> Assyria in about 1100 BC refers to them as the Tabali whose

original

> area of settlement (i.e. Tabal) was adjacent to that of Tegarama.
> Josephus recorded the name of Tubal's descendants as the

Thobelites,

> and says they were in his day known as the Iberes. Their land was
> called by the Romans Iberia, and covered what is now the (former
> Soviet) state of Georgia whose capital to this day bears the name
> Tubal as Tbilisi. Since the Georgians (with the Zan and the Svan
> speakers) are today the three Kartvellian speakers - if the Tabal

are

> the remnants of the Kaska then Milos's thesis may hold.
>
> There is also another (remote) possibility. Were the Kaska the
> people called Kholkhoi by the Greeks with a phoneme shift from *s

to

> *l (i.e. Khaskha to Kholkha?). The Greek people of Colchis

certainly

> lived in the area in which the Kaska were supposed to have lived.
> Herodotus described the Colchians as Ethiopian, with black frizzy
> hair. Saint Jerome, writing during the fourth century, called
> Colchis the "Second Ethiopia." Two hundred years later,

Sophronius,

> patriarch of Jerusalem, described an "Ethiopian" presence in the

same

> region. It is interesting that there is a group of Abkhazi who even
> today have negroid features. See the article at
>
>

http://arjournals.annualreviews.org/doi/abs/10.1146/annurev.anthro.31.

> 040402.085420
>
> It reports how newspapers reported on a Negro community found on

the

> Black Sea coast of Abkhazia in 1913, and such reports were repeated
> in the post revolutionary period, during World War II and down to

the

> Brezhnev period. Also the Nart Epic of Abkhazia tells of 100 black-
> skinned horsemen who visited the Caucasus and liked it so much some
> of them stayed. Whether these were slaves of the Ottomans, or a
> reference to the Kholhkoi is unknown.
>
> Since Colchis is in approximately a little to the east of the area
> described as the land of the Kaska in Hittite texts, and since

Hattic

> is sometimes believed to be a member of the NW Caucasian (Abkhazo-
> Adyghian) family, and if these "black" Colchians are linked to the
> Negroes found speaking an Abkhazian... I wonder.
>

Does 'Memnon the Ethiopian' fit in here (cf also Snorri's mention of
him)?

Torsten