Re: [tied]An Indo European URBS? (was: Enclosed Places)

Is this etymology urbs < *g^HordH- well accepted? urbs is a consonantal stem
or i-stem, so, might be *g^HordH-s or *g^HordH-is. Slavic and Germanic
pointed to *g^HordHos, although it's not impossible that it was a o-stem
development of a consonantal-stem.
Is there any record of *hurbs? Any Italic cognate? Osco-Umbrian would have a
cognate like *furf-....

And how about urbs < *urbis < *HrdHwi- , from *HerdH- "high", like arbor,
arduus, Arduina, ard. ??

Joao SL
Rio

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From: "alex" <alxmoeller@...>
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Sent: Saturday, July 12, 2003 6:44 PM
Subject: Re: [tied] Enclosed Places (was: The unexplained link between
Greek/Latin and Tamil)


> Piotr Gasiorowski wrote:
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> > In earliest Slavic the pronunciation of what we _spell_ *o was close
> > to [a] (this was in fact the original Balto-Slavic value of the
> > vowel). I wrote about that at length explaining liquid metathesis and
> > the etymology of <daltë> (check the archive if you don't remember the
> > details). The change of [a] > [o] is not as recent as you suggest, but
> > it probably swept through Slavic about AD 800 (only a very rough
> > dating can be suggested) as part of a more general qualitative "vowel
> > shift". If *[dalta] was borrowed as <daltë>/<daltã>, there's nothing
> > irregular about *[gardU] --> <gardh>/<gard>.
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> > Piotr
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> This is a posiblity. Against this posiblity is the meaning. For a
> borrowing from Slavic, there are not semantical differences or
> semantical developments. As far I know there are not such deviation for
> borrowign from Slavic, the loaned words having the same meaning as in
> Slavic.If there is in Slavic the meaning "fence" then it can be a loan
> from Slavic. If not, then it is not. Do you have in Slavic the word
> "gardU"= fence? Not simmilars like " umgezeunte platz, stadt, usw usw.
> Simply, fence. Is it?
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> Alex
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