Re: [tied] Religious terms , here saint

On Sun, 29 Jun 2003 15:45:22 +0200, alex <alxmoeller@...> wrote:

>>> Now it happens this thrakish form is a good candidate due its form:
>>> Spinto > sfînt
>>> Thus there is no need of inventing assimilation, contamination, etc.
>>
>> Straw men. No-one has "invented" any such thing. I spent some time
>> explaining to you that Slavic languages have both [sv] and [sf] as
>> regular developments of PSl. *sv [sw]. It's afact, not an invention.
>> How does your "good candidate" account for Romanian /sf-/?
>
>That is a good question. I have to see if there are initialy the "sf-"
>and their etymology. I don't agree that several Slavic groups have been
>reduced to "sfV-" in Rom. So we have Slavic "sUv-", "skv-",
>sve-","c^etv-" where all these groups have been reduced to "sf-". As for
>your PIE

Proto-Slavic

>*sw, do we have to understand that the PIE k'uen > PIE

Proto-Slavic

>*swen in
>slavic or you have an another etymology for Slavic "sventU" as the one
>of given by Deçev for satem languages as avestan and Lithuanian (spenta,
>sventas).

Avestan sp&nta-, Lithuanian s^ventas, Slavic sveNtU point to PIE *k^wentos
and nothing else.

Avestan Lithuanian Slavic
PIE *sw- xv- sv- sv-
PIE *k^w- sp- s^v- sv-

>As for Latin "sanctus", I could not find the etymology of it.
>I could find the one of "sacer" but from "sacer" to "sanctus" it seems
>just "sa-" is common here ; too little for deriving from "sacer".

It's the n-infix: *sak- > sacer, *sak-n- > *sa-n-k- > sanc-tus.

>> Alex, I would be perfectly willing to allow you to discuss any aspects
>> of Romanian that have more general implications. But it seems to me
>> that you are taking advantage of my leniency and slipping back into
>> your habit of multiplying trifling pseudo-problems. Why don't you
>> take such question to the Balkanika list if they really must be
>> duiscuseed somewhere? I hereby announce a temporary embargo on
>> threads starting with "another Romanian word that Alex thinks must be
>> Thracian". Such threads violate my regulation against flogging dead
>> horses. If you do not obey, you shall be given sufficient time out to
>> collect your thoughts and let the other list members enjoy some
>> well-deserved rest.
>>
>> Piotr
>
>OK. I will wait until you will find an another thracian word where you
>will find an Rom. cognate here.For instance you will take Rom.
>"Soricel"(little mouse) diminutival form "Soarece" and the etymology
>acepted as from Latin "sorrex,-icis" and the thracian glosse
>"tziorikellos" ( apud Deçev).

If there wasn't an embargo on this subject, I would point out that the
French word for "mouse" is <souris> < sori:ce. Maybe a Mäuserwanderung of
Thracian mice to Northern Gaul?

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Miguel Carrasquer Vidal
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