[tied] substratum ( it was Re: Creole Romance?)

From: altamix
Message: 23799
Date: 2003-06-24

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, Piotr Gasiorowski
<piotr.gasiorowski@...> wrote:
> 24-06-03 06:53, alex wrote:
> > 2)one example here: the word, "mare"= great is considered to
belong to
> > substratum. In Albanian the word is "madh", in OF was "mare" and
> > will explain it trough celtic I suppose.
> Miguel has already noted the non-existence of OFr. *mare 'great'.
> madh is an inherited derivative of PIE *meg^h2-. There's no way in
> it could be related to Rom. mare with any plausibility. "Is
> considered..." is an Alexian generalisation of "some people (e.g.
> think so".

I was thinking actually at Decev and not at Russu about "mare"
Decev gives examples of severallanguages where "mar-"= great from Ie
*me:ro; m@...: mo:ro.
Thrakish "mar-", Greek "mer-", Rom. "mare", Old Irish "mar, mo:r",
Galic "maros".
Example for Galic should be seen in PN Nerto-maros , Santo-Maros.

> However, there is an age-old alternative hypothesis,
> according to which <mare> comes from Lat. marem 'male' (Class.Lat.
> maris). It has recently gained fresh support: Herman Seldeslachts
> notes that "in Hungarian, words like <kan> 'male' and <fiú> 'boy'
can be
> used to qualify big objects, whereas on the other hand
<leány> 'girl'
> and <no"stény> 'female' can denote smaller objects (e.g., <fiúeper>
> <leányeper> for a big and a small kind of strawberries
> respectively...)". In Hungarian dialects <kan> may serve as a
synonym of
> <nagy> 'big', and <kanja> is attested in Transdanubia with the
> 'the best, the greatest'.
> Piotr

aham. Interesting. Once we will find in Swahilly a way to use a word
and I won't wonder if you will see an explanation there too:-)