>that is a bit topsy-turvy here. If we agree that the Russians (Urus)
>could be in the neighbourhood of Don and Volga, not the same can
>be said about country of Magar. Just if we assume that the country of
>Magar is not the actualy one.
[Achtung falsche Freunde: aktuell, gegenwärtig -> present;
topical / actual(ly) -> eigentlich.]
Of course there was a Magar country even after the Magyar
tribes left that area and settled in today's Ukraine and
from there in Pannonia, Transylvania, Slovakia and Eastern
Noricum (Austria). "Hungaria magna" was neighboring
"Bulgaria magna" in an area where's today's Bashkiria.
In the 13th century, there were monks who were sent
to the Mongolian court as diplomats and who encountered
there in the East Hungarians who never came to... Hungary.
Allegedly (fra Iulianus), one could talk to them in an
approximate Hungarian.
OTOH, I gather that Oguznamé (Die Taten der Oguz-Türken)
is older than the 12th-13th historical events concerning
the Cuman-Turkish population (AFAIK belonging to the
Oguz branch too).
>If one can shows there is a story about an another country
>of the Hungarians, then it remains just to explain who is the
>people called "Ulak".
That's why that Romanian Turk published his paper. But
according to his translation, it is by no means clear that
Oguznamé was referring to the Danubian Ulaks (Vlakhs)
and not to some Don-Volga Turkish tribe (e.g. in Kalmykia).
>If the chornicle speaks about the actual country of Hungarians,
>then it can be just understood the KipchaK went far away from
>Don, went west for reaching the country of Magyars.
There were two different Magyar countries as well as two
different Bulgar countries: one Magyar and one neighboring
Bulgar country in the East, in today's Russia, Bashkortostan
and the autonomous republic of Komi; and the new Magyar
and Bulgar countries, that for a while were also neighbors
and even overlapping (the Hungarians defeated local Bulgar
chieftains ).
>Alex
George
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