Re: [tied] Yers

From: george knysh
Message: 22986
Date: 2003-06-10

--- fortuna11111 <fortuna11111@...> wrote:
>
>
> > GK: Has there been any attempt to inform the
> > international scholarly community of this esp. via
> > conferences? What has been the reaction? Are all
> > Bulgarian scholars convinced by the new knowledge?
> Are
> > there serious non-Bulgarian scholars who are? It's
> > been ten years you say. Any progress?
>
> The problem is, as you may imagine, the fact that my
> country or
> language are not particularly popular.

*****GK: Old Bulgarian (Slavic) is quite popular among
students of the spread of Slavic Christianity. There's
a lot of literature on this.*****

I do not
> consider this to be
> a tragedy, but the problem is there are few scholars
> in the west
> who would engage in in-depth studies of the
> inscriptions. No
> one seems to be crazy about Bulgaria right now, so
> many
> scientists would prefer looking at what has already
> been written
> (and you know what has been written). Or they copy
> from others,
> as it usually happens. Yet most of what you already
> have as
> literature on the subject has been written during
> the Communist
> regime. You should at the very least take those
> texts with a grain
> of salt.

*****GK: The thesis that the Proto-Bulgars were a
Turkic ethnos long antedates the advent of Communism
to Bulgaria. There are plenty of books on our
University library shelves about this which have
nothing to do with the Commies.*****
>
> It will be a difficult process to try to make
> scholars interested in
> the new findings. Do I need to explain how slowly
> the wheels of
> science sometimes turn? 10 years are not a lot of
> time, but they
> were enough for the Bulgarian scholarly community to
> be
> convinced to its large part. You may see attempts
> be directed
> outside of Bulgaria in the future. Publishing also
> costs money.
> My country is extremely poor, so everything we have
> to do in any
> direction is connected with enormous restrictions in
> this sense.

******GK: Come now, don't be disingenuous. The notion
that the Proto-Bulgars were Iranian and not Turkic
would instantly interest many conference organizers
(esp.in the West), and money would be found to finance
appearances by knowledgeable Bulgarian scholars. If
this isn't happening there must be other reasons, and
you'll forgive me for not mentioning them out of
politeness.*****
>
>
> >
> > Anyone claiming something
> > > different should
> > > manage to translate the inscriptions using
> Turkic -
> > > I may then be
> > > convinced of the opposite.
> >
> > GK: It's not a question of whether you as an
> > amateur and enthusiast are convinced, but whether
> > serious scholars are. I'm not trying to put you
> down,
> > just pointing out that the opinion of solid
> > professionals matters a great deal on such
> > issues.
>
> Are you assuming Bulgarian scholars are no serious
> scholars?
> So where do you think is the best place to learn
> about Bulgaria?

*****GK: I am doing no such thing. There's plenty of
unbiased linguists outside of Bulgaria who have no axe
to grind on this issue. But coming back to one of my
unanswered questions: are you saying that the Iranic
theory is now held by ALL Bulgarian linguists and
historians?******
>
> I understand your point about getting supposedly
> unbiased
> comments from outside. Yet all comments are biased,
> since
> every scientist tends to hold on to what he thinks
> he knows and
> understands from his field. A dogma is always hard
> to overturn,
> especially if backed by so much past ideology.
> There will be
> bias on all sides.

*****GK: Don't worry about it. Just produce the
evidence. Formalistic obiter chat won't cut the
mustard.******
>
> So while I get your point, I think you are showing a
> little too much
> optimism. And hence my comment about the Turkish
> theory still
> appearing in encyclopaedias 100 years from now. I
> meant, it
> may take so much to correct 100 years of creative
> writing on the
> history and language of Bulgarians. I as a
> Bulgarian am
> concerned - and will do the best I can to correct
> the mistakes.
> That's about all I can do, the rest is your
> judgement.


******GK: You mentioned in another post that there is
an Iranic understanding of the term "Bulgar/s". What
is it? Also, the original Bulgars of Kubrat were known
as the Onogundur. What's the Iranic explanation of
this label? I don't want to pick up on everything you
state in other posts, but just one more thing. Today's
Bulgarians are descended from a great many historical
ethna. You attach huge significance to the
Proto-Bulgar connection. It was, of course,
politically significant for a time. But after all the
Bulgarians are primarily a Slavic people are they not?
And the Vlach as well as Pecheneg contributions (to
mention but some) might also be noted in passing. Is
all this sudden fixation on Iranism an indicator of
contemporary anti-Turkism in Bulgaria? It's as if
someone in France suddenly decided that the "Franks"
were not really Germanic but , say, Celtic or
whatever, because the idea of "les boches" having
anything to do with "la belle France" is simply
intolerable.(:=)))*****


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