Re: [tied] Re: Yers

Abdullah Konushevci wrote:
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>>
>> Of course they did. For example, OCS bisIrU 'pearl',
> c^rItogU 'chamber',
>> kUn'igy 'book', kumirU 'idol', boljarinU 'nobleman' and
> sanU 'dignity' are
>> of Turkic origin. So is the ethnonym Bulgar(ian) (<blUgarU>).
>>
>> Piotr
>
> ************
> Besides these old Turkic loans (some of those are present also in
> Albanian: bishër 'pearl', bujar < boljar), I have expressed a doubt
> a year before that also Alb. hordhi 'hordes' must be dated as the
> oldest loan from Turkic ordu 'army', because we have evolution of
> cluster /-rd-/ > /-rdh-/, which evolution ceased to function anymore
> (cf. kavërdis from aor. of the verb kavurmak 'to fry', kërdi from
> aor. stem of the verb kIrmak 'to beak in pieces'). I am afraid that
> also Alb. word rrëfi 'military action' is from Arab harbiye 'id'
> (despite recent loans harbut 'greedy', harbutëri 'greediness'
> through, probably, Turkic influences.
>
> Konushevci

Hmm.. I am not sure if Albanian "rrëfi" is the same as romanian "rãfui".
The rom. verb and derivatives are given with unknown etymology.

rãfui=quarrel, to argue; to settle accounts

As for "hordhi", there is in Rom. "hoardã" but generaly, this is not
related to any militar organisated group. Just grup of people with bad
intentions:-)

Alex