[tied] Re: Yers

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, Piotr Gasiorowski
<piotr.gasiorowski@...> wrote:

>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: g
> To: cybalist@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Saturday, June 07, 2003 4:34 PM
> Subject: [tied] Re: Yers
>
> >> The Turkish words in all Balkan languages are their newest

loans - you

> will find none of them in OCS. Or so it seems logical to me.
>
> > So Huns, Avars, Khazars, Petchenegs, Cumans, Seldjuk Turks

didn't leave

> any Turkic lexical elements prior to the Tatar and then Ottoman

conquests?

>
> Of course they did. For example, OCS bisIrU 'pearl',

c^rItogU 'chamber',

> kUn'igy 'book', kumirU 'idol', boljarinU 'nobleman' and

sanU 'dignity' are

> of Turkic origin. So is the ethnonym Bulgar(ian) (<blUgarU>).
>
> Piotr

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Besides these old Turkic loans (some of those are present also in
Albanian: bishër 'pearl', bujar < boljar), I have expressed a doubt
a year before that also Alb. hordhi 'hordes' must be dated as the
oldest loan from Turkic ordu 'army', because we have evolution of
cluster /-rd-/ > /-rdh-/, which evolution ceased to function anymore
(cf. kavërdis from aor. of the verb kavurmak 'to fry', kërdi from
aor. stem of the verb kIrmak 'to beak in pieces'). I am afraid that
also Alb. word rrëfi 'military action' is from Arab harbiye 'id'
(despite recent loans harbut 'greedy', harbutëri 'greediness'
through, probably, Turkic influences.

Konushevci