Re: [tied] Abstractness (Was Re: [j] v. [i])

From: Robert B Wilson
Message: 22732
Date: 2003-06-06

On Thu, 05 Jun 2003 16:42:54 +0200 Piotr Gasiorowski
<piotr.gasiorowski@...> writes:
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Jens Elmeg�rd Rasmussen
> To: cybalist@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2003 4:20 PM
> Subject: [tied] Abstractness (Was Re: [j] v. [i])
>
>
> > ... One could invent a notation in which [l] is /p/ and [p] is
> /l/; that
> would work without contradiction, but it's hardly advisable.
>
> It would work without contradiction ony from a strictly
> structuralist point
> of view, where contrasts are all that counts. Modern phonology
> demands,
> however, that phonological representations should be "natural", i.e.
> reasonably surface-true. To use a real-life example, Englidh /h/ and
> /N/
> ("ng") are in complementary distribution, but no-one has ever dreamt
> of
> simplifying the system by assigning them to the same phoneme.

actually, people have... why would we know that they are in complementary
distribution if no one ever dreamt of assigning them to the same phoneme?

> Piotr

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