Re: [tied] Tyrrhenian's new family members

From: Michael J Smith
Message: 22353
Date: 2003-05-29

Glen, do you think that the Pelasgians could have spoken a Tyrrhenian
language?
Also, where was Camunic spoken?

-Michael

On Fri, 23 May 2003 05:01:44 +0000 "Glen Gordon"
<glengordon01@...> writes:
>
> I would just like to point out to everybody that EteoCypriot is
> a Tyrrhenian language related to Etruscan, Lemnian, Rhaetic,
> Camunic and now even Minoan (Linear A). Everybody keeps on
> saying that EteoCypriot and Minoan are undeciphered and
> unclassified. I'm tired of it so here's my arguement for
> genetic relationship...
>
> Check out this Amathusan bilingual text and tell me that this
> ain't Etruscan-looking:
>
> Ana mator-i Mukla-i Lasana um-esi
> Their city-LOC Amathus-LOC Tyrrhenian honour-AOR
>
> Ariston-ose Artowanakso-ko-ose kera keretul-ose.
> Ariston-GEN Aristonax-PART-GEN precious birth-GEN.
>
> "In their city, the Tyrrhenians of Amathous honour
> Ariston of Aristonax, of precious birth."
>
> We know this translation is correct because of the
> accompanying Greek text that says virtually the same
> thing "The city of Amathous [honours] Ariston of
> Aristonax, of honourable birth". One says "eupatriden"
> and the other says "kera keretulose". (That's
> interesting too because it suggests that /kera/ is
> identical with Etruscan /cara/ and that Latin /carus/
> is in fact an Etruscan loanword, not IE!)
>
> Now, the kicker is when you translate the supposedly
> undeciphered EteoCypriot into closely related Etruscan.
>
> Ana spur-e MucHla-i Rasna um-uce Aristun-ase
> Artuvanaksa-cH-ase cara celutul-ase.
>
> Eery hunh? So I want everybody to stop saying that
> Eteo-Cypriot is undeciphered. It's related to Etruscan
> and Lemnian. I might even start referring to a special
> "Eteo-Cypriot" branch of Tyrrhenian if I can amass
> good reason to seperate it from Minoan.
>
>
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>
> And as for the Minoan language, has everybody overlooked
> the constant repetitive glosses of U-NA-KA-NA-SI???
> It says "una kanasi" meaning "pouring libations". These
> texts keep referring to "pouring libations to Assaram"
> (Assaram-e una kana-si). Assaram is identical with the
> West Semitic goddess known as Asherah or AshtorethYam
> ("Lady of the Sea").
>
> A similar word "un" is found in Etruscan and means the
> same. The ending /-si/ is related to verb endings in Etruscan
> and apparently there are glosses of /cen/ and /cena/
> which, although lacking the knowledge of their context,
> I suspect to mean "to pour".
>
> Granted, I can't blame people's numbness to the obvious.
> Who would guess Minoan is Tyrrhenian. It doesn't quite
> fit the mould like EteoCypriot does. For one thing, the
> characteristic s-genitive is missing. It seems to be
> replaced with an ending in /-na/ or /-ne/ (which is in
> fact the adjectival ending). This is funny because using
> adjectival endings for genitives is common to Anatolian
> and BaltoSlavic languages. Can we say "cross-linguistic areal
> influence", everyone?
>
> If all this is doubted, check out the Linear A texts for
> yourselves:
>
> http://www.people.ku.edu/~jyounger/LinearA/
>
> Now I'm no Cyrus Gordon (no relation) but c'mon folks!
> Let's get together and push Tyrrhenian studies into the
> 21st century. I'm tired of people still denying that
> Tyrrhenian and IndoEuropean are related!
>
>
> - gLeN
>
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