[tied] Re: -ber, -bris

It's quite interesting that in Albanian, the seconda element -ber was
treated as suffix, so we have: shtat-or 'Septemeber', tet-
or 'octomber', nënt-or 'november' and dhjet-or 'december'. Much older
forms for the first three months are: britmi i parë 'first autumn',
britmi i dytë 'second autumn' and britmi i tretë 'third autumn'. It
seems that britmi, probabely from *bhr.to-m 'the furtunitus' was
synonym of autumn 'vjeshtë' (for me, a deverbative of the verb
vjel 'to gather, to collect'). Taking in account that nasal /m/ in
closed syllable is mostly turned in cluster /mb/, I wonder could we
may have another explanation, like treated -er as suffix.

Konushevci
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--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, João Simões Lopes Filho
<josimo70@...> wrote:

> Oh, very interesting. I've never seen an explanation of such

ending. So, october seems to be an analogy.

>
> *decem-mens-ri > *decemembri > december
> *novem-mens-ri > *novemembri > november
> *octo-mens-ri > * octomembri > *octomber > by analogy > october
> *septem-mens-ri > *septemembri > september
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Rob
> To: cybalist@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Sunday, May 25, 2003 6:47 PM
> Subject: [tied] Re: -ber, -bris
>
>
> --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "alex" <alxmoeller@...> wrote:
> > which is the meaning of the Latin particle "-bris", particle

which

> is to
> > find in the denomination of the months ?
> >
> > (September, Octomber, November, December)
> >
> > Alex
>
> It's actually not a particle, but the result of a sound change.

The

> following is from Andrew Sihler's New Comparative Grammar of

Greek

> and Latin (1995):
>
> septem-mens-ri- "pertaining to the seventh month"
>
> > septemenèri- > septemembri- > nom. september via syncope and
> assimilation
>
> - Rob
>
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