Re: [tied] Pronoun

On Sun, 18 May 2003 16:59:46 +0200, alex <alxmoeller@...>
wrote:

>ille, -a, -ud ( late Latin "-um"; Dat. sg. F. "-ae" old and late
>Latin "o:" and Gen. "-eius" just late Latin), Old Latin and archaic
>( in vulgar Latin in "illuc" too), "illic", "-aec, auc"(*ille-ce )
>etc, "-uc(c)" from "*-ud-ce", compare "istu(c)= that one (opp. "hic",
>"iste"); familiar Pron. 3-th pers. ="is", vulgarlatin and in Rom like
>"ipse" in the function of article ( begining with XII tab. rom
>[ in accentuation as "accellum"], in the same way, "illac" ( there),
>( paralel form to *illace), ... etc.etc.etc.
>
>This demonstrative pronoun is a derivative of the italic pronoun
>"ollus",with feminie "ulas"(illius), dialectal Latin "olaus", etc.
>The form with "olle-" has been sweped out in the time by the
>form "ille".
>
>If we have the linguistic posiblity ( ir should be clear that
>from "olla" , "ullus" there are no dificulties in making Rum.
>derivative.
>
>Miguel, the regular change is from this "ollu" and "ulla" not from
>"ille".
>Do you agree?

Obviously not.

Port. Spa. Cat. Fre. Ita. Rom.
m. ele él ell il (egli, ei) el
f. ela ella ella elle (ella) ea
n. ello

m. eles ellos ells ils (eglino) ei
f. elas ellas elles elles (elleno) ele

All regularly from ille/illum, illa(m), illi/illos, illae/illas.

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Miguel Carrasquer Vidal
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