From: S & L
Message: 21966
Date: 2003-05-16
----- Original Message -----
From: "george knysh" <gknysh@...>
To: <cybalist@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, May 16, 2003 7:03 PM
Subject: The Carpathians (Was: Re: [tied] Ukrainian words from Carpathians)
> --- Piotr Gasiorowski <gpiotr@...> wrote:
> the name of
> > the Carpathians 'the Rockies' (cf. Alb. karpë),
> > which is well over 2000 years old, it may be a
> > surviving substrate word.
> >
> > Piotr
>
> ******GK: When is the term "Carpathian" mountains
> first attested? I don't seem to have this information
> in my notes. In mediaeval Ukraine they were known as
> the "Ugrian" (or "Hungarian") mountains. There is
> evidence that an earlier designation was the
> "Caucasian" mountains ("Kavkasiiskiia"). This is
> usually linked to to Caucoenses mentioned by Ptolemy
> (a Dacian tribe) and the Caucaland noted by Ammianus
> Marcellinus. So what about "Carpathians"? Is the
> relation with the historical Carpi genuine? Would that
> not have given something lke "Karps'kii" or
> "Karpiiskii" in Slavic? Whence this "ath" ? *******
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Some of the Carpat Mountains [the chain from the Romanian territory] were
named CORONA MONTIUM by some of the antiquities historians [in Enciclopedia
Geografica a Romaniei by Dan Ginea, ed. Enciclopedica, 2000, page 371].
In Enciclopedia Romaniei by Lucian Predescu, 1999, Bucuresti [copy of that
from 1940] at page 175:
Predescu: "the romanians did not used this name in the old times"
Ptolemeu: Cárpatis
Ephor: Cárpidei
Plinius: Montes Macrocemni [and alos Caucasus/Caucaland?]
Peutinger: Alpes Bastarnici [in Moldova]
Ammian Marcelin [IV century]: Montes Serrorum [in Tara Romaneasca]
S o r i n