[tied] Re: Alb. "dirt"

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "Abdullah Konushevci"
<a_konushevci@...> wrote:

> --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "alex_lycos" <altamix@...> wrote:
> > Abdullah Konushevci wrote:
> > > ************
> > > 'Murdar' is persian loan in Turkish meaning 'corpse, dead body,
> > > cadaver'. I am afraid it's compound <mur> (cf. mors, -

tis 'death')

> > > and present stem of verb <dashten> (all paradigm: daram, dari,
> darad,
> > > darim, darid, darand 'I/you/he/she/we/You/they 'have') 'to

have,

> to
> > > posses' (cf. dizdar 'castle's holder', bayrakdar 'flagkeeper',
> > > tahsildar 'tax-collector', serdar < ser 'head' and -
> dar 'commander'),
> > > etc
> > > Couriuosly, Alb. verb dëlir 'clean' is metathetic form of
> lëdir 'to
> > > clean' (cf. lëbyr 'to veil, to dazzle', present also in

Dalmatian

> > > buriti 'id.' and in Romanian, lëvar 'to bend', lëmek 'to

moisten,

> to
> > > weaken') and it seems like English <to dirt>. Otherwise, <to
> dirt> in
> > > Albanian is 'fëlliq' very similar to English <to filth>
> > >
> > > Konushevci
> >
> > with "clean" is an another story, I will post it today in the
> evening
> > when I come back.
> > But is the word in Albanian a loan from Turkish or not?
> > about Rom. "lãvar" and "lãmec".These words are unknown to me.

Where

> did
> > you got them from?
> ************
> No, this word even, as far as I know, didn't exist in Albanian.
> I think that Alb. verb <lëbyr> 'to veil, to dazzle, to be hurted by
> light of sun' is present also in Dalmatian <buriti oci> (subject:
> sun, light) and, I think once, You have asked me about the same

verb

> in Romanian, but I was busy too much to answer to You at that time.

************
Furthermore, <mur> in Persian or in Indo-Iranic branch has the
meaning 'to die', so <murdar> has exactly the meaning 'cadaver,
corpse, dead body'.

Konushevci