Re: Fwd: Re: [tied] Re: Tychicus (St. Fortunato)

--- "Daniel J. Milton" <dmilt1896@...> wrote:

> --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, george knysh
> <gknysh@...> wrote:
> > >
> > > --- "Daniel J. Milton" <dmilt1896@...> wrote:
> > > > Migne's footnote, which George dug up,
> > > appears
> > > > to assume that
> > > > this is a Hebrew interpretation, simply
> because
> > > > Jerome did write a
> > > > book LIBER DE NOMINIBUS HAEBRAICIS, based on
> > > (lost)
> > > > works by Origen
> > > > and Philo. From what I gather from the Web
> > > without
> > > > going to a
> > > > theological library, "Tychicus " is not one of
> the
> > > > names considered
> > > > in this book,
> > >
> > > GK: As a matter of fact it is. Have a look at
> > > vol. 23 of the Patrologia Latina at cols. 1247,
> > > 1249,
> > > and 1251.
> >
> > GK: Actually the above refer to a text based
> on
> > manuscripts of Jerome's putative source. In his
> own
> > work, "Tychicus" appears in the list of Hebrew
> names
> > in the Epistle to the Colossians (cf. PL, vol. 23,
> > col. 855). If you read the Preface (cols. 771-772)
> you
> > will see that by "interpretatur" Jerome means
> > "etymologizes as". Note also that Jerome's Liber
> de
> > nominibus haebraicis was composed ca. 390,
> > approximately two years after his Commentary on
> > Ephesians. In the latter, he is clearly referring
> to
> > the Ps.(?)-Origen when he writes that Tychicus
> means
> > "silens". In the LDNH Tychicus is explained as
> > "tacens". Your opinion that Jerome was an
> infallible
> > Hebraist is not supported by the evidence of his
> own
> > writings. I will charitably refrain from
> commenting on
> > your further speculations (:=))).
> *********
> OK. George, you've done the research; I'm
> wrong.
> The remaining question is what did Jerome have in
> mind (or get
> from his sources) that gave "Tychicus" a Hebrew
> etymology
> of "Silent?"
> From what I have available on my bookshelf and on
> the Web (again I
> haven't gone to a proper library), it's not obvious.
> Dan

******GK: Jerome states in the LDNH Introduction that
it is Origen (or "Origen") who did the basic work on
the Christian NT texts, thereby "completing" Philo.
The manuscripts of this "Origen" (there were many more
in Jerome's time, and he mentions this) do not seem to
involve much if any linguistic analysis: simply a
name, then its purported Hebrew meaning. As a
non-linguist I have no idea what could have suggested
"silens" or "tacens" as a Hebrew interpretation of
Tychicus. Perhaps our linguists could have a stab at
this. I'll post a few more of these Origen/Jerome
"etymologies" as indicators of the "technique" at
work, if this is the right term for sanctified
dilettantism.*******

>
>

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