Re: bake

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "tgpedersen" <tgpedersen@...>
wrote:

> --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "Piotr Gasiorowski"
> <piotr.gasiorowski@...> wrote:
> > --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "tgpedersen" <tgpedersen@...>
> wrote:
> >
> > > But what we have in German seems to be from
> > > *bH&g, *bHoh1g > *bho:g, *bH&g
> > >
> > > Where do you see any Gmc **be:k- "bake"?
> >
> > It seems to have been an *o-present, cf. Gk. pHo:go: . The short
> > vocalism of the present tense in Germanic looks secondary;
> But from where? In that case of cause the long vowel of Sw. [ba:k-

]

> is tertiary(?), but that verb (as in Danish) is regular. Perhaps:
>
> 1) most linguist have proceeded from the German 'backen'?
>
> 2) in some (not ON) Gmc. languages vowels in open syllables are
> automatically long, but some linguists tend to ignore that?
>
>
> >in general,
> > the a ~ o: ~ o: ~ a ablaut is hard to explain. This class of

strong

> > verbs contains originally different types of roots. They were
> > conflated in Germanic with at least some analogical

restructuring.

> >For
> > example, *sak-an- (< *{seh2g-}; OE sacan, so:c, so:con -sacen)

has

> the
> > same root structure as *{bHeh1g-}, but *far-an- (OE faran, fo:r,
> > fo:ron, -faren) seems to derive from *por- -- a different shape
> > resulting in the same ablaut pattern in Germanic.
> >
> > *bHeh1- 'bake, warm' (without the extension) is visible in OHG
> ba:en <
> > *be:-j-an- (< *bHeh1-je-).
>
> Unless that is umlauted *ba:- ? I'd hate to miss an opportunity to
> unite 'pho:gein' "roast" (ie. "prepare food") and 'phagein' "eat".
> And behind it I sense the *bH-h2- "appear, make appear" root, plus

an

> extension -g- that I suspect creates nomina agentis.
>
> Furthermore, I suppose it would be possible to get Lat. 'facio'

into

> it, although it's now considered to be from *dHeh1- "put". But

does

> the semantics match?
>
> Torsten

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It seems that PIE root *bhag- have had very deep religious meaning.
Albanian word Buzmi '(Tree-) trunk, Christmas log. Nata e buzmit
Christmas Eve', an suffixed form of zero-grade of PIE *bhag-,
testifies about it.
Indeed, it was a pagan feast, before it takes Christian meaning.
Peoples put in the log different kinds of food, praying to have a
good year of harvest. As we may see from Persian word
baksheesh 'tip, geschenk', the primary meaning was to share
something with others, beleaving to have good furtune.
Konushevci