Re: Albanian-Romanian Concordances

In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "Abdullah Konushevci" wrote:

> I like to finish the theme about Albanian-Romanian cognates in
> non-Latin and non-Slavic words, without mentioned the words we
> have treated here, like: baltë, brada, daltë, gardh, këlbazë,
> qafë. I strongly believe that all these words belong to
> pre-Latin and pre-Slavic stage of Albanian and Roman languages.

In fact, the words you mention are considered by many Romanian
scholars as potential substrate words. You mentioned above six
of them, you further add 23 more. However, the list is far from
being complete, generally one speaks of around 80 common words.
Some corrections and comments to your listed words:

> Albanian Romanian English
> Ajkë<alkë alca `cream'

In (Daco-)Romanian, the word is "arichiTã"; "aicã" is the
Aromanian form.

> Avull abur `steam, vapour'

Aromanian and ancient Daco-Romanian: "abure"

> Bardhë barza `sork'

"Barzã" means `stork`; out of that there is "bar(d)z(u)" meaning
`light grey, white`; the form with dz is to be found in southern
dialects.

> Brez<brenz briu `belt, sash'

"brâu" is Daco-Romanian; in southern dialects we have: "brãn"
(Aromanian), brõn (Meglenoromanian), brãv (Istroromanian)

> Fluturë fluture `butterfly'

Not present in southern dialects.

> Gërresë gresie `scraper'

"greasã" - Aromanian, "grEsE" - Istroromanian; Romanian word
means basically `gritstone` or `sandstone`.
French "grès" is linked to ahd. "griez" (`sand`) and Dutch
"griet" (`sand, gravel`), supposing a Franconic "*greot" (id.).

> Gropë groapa `hole, gap'

"groapã" is common to Daco-Romanian, Aromanian and Megleno-
Romanian; in Istroromanian: "grOpE".

> Gjon ghionoaie `scops-owl'

Aromanian, Meglenoromanian: "ghion"

> Hamës hames `gluttonous; greedy'

Dacoromanian only: "hameS".

> Kurth cursa `trap, snare'

Aromanian correspondent "curthã" has the phonetism of a
loanword.

> Moshë mos `age'

Romanian pan-dialectal "moS" means `old-aged` (male).

> Mugull mugur `bud'

Meglenoromanian: "mugure".

> Nepërkë naprica `viper, adder'

Daco-Romanian: "nãpârcã", Aromanian: "nãpârticã", Megleno-
Romanian: "nãprõtcã"

> Përrua pariu `stream'

Daco-Romanian: "pârâu", "pãrâu", "pãrãu"; Meglenoromanian:
"pãroi". Final "-râu" in Daco-Romanian is probably resulted
from contamination with "râu" (< rivus).

> Sorrë cioara `rook'

"cioarã" is common to Daco-Romanian, Aromanian and Megleno-
Romanian; in Istroromanian: "ciorE".

> Shark(ë) sarica `sleevless gown'

"saricã" (`sheperd's coat`) is doubtful in Aromanian. This word
is not widely recognized as substratal in Romanian.

> Shkrumb scrum `ash'

Also in Aromanian and in Meglenoromanian

> Shtrep/shtreb strepede `cheese-hopper'

Aromanian "strepãdz", "streapit", "streapide"; Meglenoromanian:
"strepij".

> Tharbët sarbad `sourish'

Also "searbãd". Aromanian: "salbid", "sãrpit".

> Thërrime farima `crumb'

More precisely: "fãrâmã"; also in Aromanian.

> Udhos, urlë urda `soft cottage cheese'

Aromanian, Meglenoromanian: "urd(h)ã".

> Vjedull/vjedhull viezure `badger'

Also Aromanian "viezure", "vizur", "yedzurã"

Regards,
Marius Iacomi