--- tgpedersen <
tgpedersen@...> wrote:
> Those that comment Snorri and Saxo (who also places
> the "Odin the
> man" in Byzantium) when trying to explain how these
> sources are using
> each other's material assume (just one theory) that
> when the authors
> place "Odin" there, their source may have contained
> a reference
> to "Bosporus" in the sense of "Cimmerian Bosporus",
> which the authors
> have then misunderstood as referring to the "real"
> Bosporus.
*****GK: The problem here is that the Cimmerian
Bosporus points to the Bosporan Kingdom, and not to
"Asaland" or "Vanaland". We can dismiss any adaptation
of the Troy Legend to Nordic history as imaginative,
of course, but we certainly have no evidence about the
possibility of using Panticapaeum as an alternate
"Troy". There is in any case a major contradiction in
the accounts of the Snorra Edda and of the
Heimskringla [Odin from a "misunderstood" Bosporus vs.
Odin from "Asaland"] which is reminiscent, in a way,
of other contradictions in Snorri's genealogies. These
contradictions don't really matter in the context of
real history. And you can't legitimately combine
elements of the two, esp. as to directions. The story
of "Odin" simply makes no sense whatever the source.
There are too many discoordinated variables. Including
the existence of yet a third Bosporus (or
"Ellipaltar") in classic Norse times: the connection
between the Baltic Sea and Lake Ladoga via the Neva to
the important Norse colonies of Old Ladoga and
Holmgardr.*******
>
> > >
> > >(T) But as regards the "north, then west"
direction,
> cf
> > > this abstract
> > > from "Hunibald":/etc../
> > GK: What do these incredible stupidities
> have to
> > do with historical science?
> >
>(T) The issue was where the "north, then west" came
from
> in Snorri. He
> and Trittenheim might have used similar sources.
*****GK: The numbers of "Hunibald" are very
reminiscent of the approach of Exodus. That would
certainly have been a plausible source to imitate.
Tritheim didn't need to consult ancient sources to
know that the Danube was south of Germany. As to
Snorri's "north then west" the source would have been
the trek from the Caspian to the Baltic, well known
for centuries before him.******
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