Re: [tied] GLEN AND ANATOLIA IN 7500BC

GLEN GORDON WROTE:
<<When Hattic and HU are present and ONLY present in Anatolia while only a
**SINGLE** branch of IE stems from Anatolia, the likelihoods are completely
against you. It's your onus, not mine, because you're working against the
most efficient solution.>>

Glen -

The area of Anatolia/Asia Minor is roughly 300,000 square miles. In 7500BC,
a rather high overall mesolithic population density would have been roughly 1
person every 10 square miles = a village of 50 people about every 500 square
miles on the average.

Whether Hattic or Hurrian was or wasn't in Anatolia in 7500BC is totally
irrelevant to whether some form of Pre-IE was there. There was lots of room
for everyone. They would not have to have even known each other existed.

Of course, we do not know when or from where Hattic or Hurrian came to
Anatolia.

So saying that Hattic or Hurrian was in Anatolia in 2000BC says absolutely
nothing about who was in Anatolia in 7500BC, much less which language they
were speaking.

In terms of human history, Anatolia is very important because it is one of
the first places where food production began, probably before 8000BC. We do
not know what language(s) those people spoke. IE languages in history are
consistently associated with food producing cultures and the earliest
recorded IE languages are in or adjacent to Anatolia. If IE languges spread
along with food production, then it is logical to suspect that IE languages
in some way originated in Anatolia.

It is not logical to exclude that possibility because Pre-IE would have had
to share a large body of land with speakers of an extinct isolate whose
limited attestation was 5000 years after the time in question.

GLEN GORDON ALSO WROTE:
<<while only a **SINGLE** branch of IE stems from Anatolia>>

And of course that **SINGLE** branch of IE just happens to be the earliest
attested. AND is generally considered to be the first to branch off from
*PIE. Linguistically, at that point, there would have been but TWO branches
of IE languages, so being singular isn't so bad. And some geograhical
adjacency to the other branch might not be a bad guess. Especially if it was
the other branch was the one that moved out of Anatolia.

Steve

PS - BTW you don't know where Uralic or Altaic were located in 7500BC either.
And during the mesolithic the Anatolian Plateau was Steppic - climatically
identical to that of the Ukraine about 4000BC.