[tied] Re: Germanic Scythians?

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "tgpedersen" <tgpedersen@...> wrote:

> --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, george knysh <gknysh@...> wrote:
> >
> > --- tgpedersen <tgpedersen@...> wrote:
> > > I better give my whole scenario:
> > >
> > > Germanic Stammbaum
> > > bef. 200 BCE
> > > "Old Germanic" spoken in Scandinavia.
> >
> > *****GK: Germanic is also associated with the area of
> > the Jastorf culture in N. Germany*****
> > >
> > > 200 BCE
> > > Old Germanic in Scandinavia, Scirian and
> > > Bastarnean in Southern
> > > Poland moving southeast.
> >
> > *****GK: There is ample archaeological evidence
> > associating the southeastern spread of Germanic
> > dialects (including those of the Sciri and Basternae)
> > with the southeastern expansion of the Jastorf
> > culture, beginning in the 3rd c. BC. This BTW was made
> > possible by the near total collapse of classical
> > Scythia in the generations posterior to the defeat of
> > Zopirion.*******

At the hands of the Sarmatians, right?

> > >
> > > 50 BCE
> > > Old Germanic in Scandinavia, Bastarnean arrives in
> > > Thuringia, where
> > > it mixes with the earlier arrived Iranian speakers
> > > to become
> > > Hermundurian.
> >
> > ******GK: Now this is completely fantastic, as pointed
> > out many many times, apparently to no avail. In 60/50
> > BC the only "Iranians" which would (barely, since
> > neither controlled cities)fit Snorri's Odin story
> > would be either the Aorsi or the Alans.
> I assume you want there to be cities because of a "Slavic
> interpretation" of the name Ásgard. But 'garD' in Old Norse means
> farmstead, 'kongsgaard' in older Danish "court", and the word has to
> do with surrounding, fencing in. Thus Ásgard, if it existed, would
> have been little more than a stronghold or keep.
>
> >There is no
> > evidence that representatives of either group had
> > reached "Gardariki" (Don to Danube) before the 1rst c.
> > AD, and certainly no archaeological evidence of any
> > kind in Central Europe to substantiate this.

The Aorsi and Alans were Sarmatian tribes. The Bastarnae were a mix
of Sciri and Sarmatians. In other words a Sarmatian mix just around
the corner from Thuringia.

> >
> I realised that I had completely left out the Jastorf culture. That
> means I don't have to claim a Bastarnean component in an Iranian -
> Germanic mix in Thuringia.
>

Torsten