[tied] Re: Germanic Scythians?

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "alex_lycos" <altamix@...> wrote:

> tgpedersen wrote:
> >> ******GK: Now this is completely fantastic, as pointed
> >> out many many times, apparently to no avail. In 60/50
> >> BC the only "Iranians" which would (barely, since
> >> neither controlled cities)fit Snorri's Odin story
> >> would be either the Aorsi or the Alans.
> > I assume you want there to be cities because of a "Slavic
> > interpretation of the name Ásgard. But 'garD' in Old Norse means
> > farmstead, 'kongsgaard' in older Danish "court", and the word has

to

> > do with surrounding, fencing in. Thus Ásgard, if it existed, would
> > have been little more than a stronghold or keep.
>
> the form "gard" without methatesis is to find in Albanian and

Romanian.

> In Rom. it means just "fence".
>
>
> > I realised that I had completely left out the Jastorf culture.

That

> > means I don't have to claim a Bastarnean component in an Iranian -
> > Germanic mix in Thuringia
> >
> > Torsten
>
>
> I must agree with George that in teh time BC the Bastarnae were

strong

> enough for having an Iranian ruling class. If once, then long time
> before. After 100 AC , there is by no way the possibility of having
> Iranian masters. Just the Roxolanes and Yaziges or maybe some
> Sarmatians, but I doubt since these could not come until the isle of
> Peuce where the Bastarnae lived to last. And in fact, just in the

time

> came the Goths. Why should accept a Germanic folk an Iranian class

as

> rulers when in that time the Goths have been so powerfully? It

doesn't

> make any sense to put some Iranian pieces here, don't you find?

You may do it but I don't. I was talking of the first century BCE.

> But it seems curious to me why always these Iranians? If you take a

look

> at every folk we are speaking about there should be some Iranians

there

> as "rulers". It seems a bit funny to me. It looks more as paper

game but

> no more..

The People of the steppe at the time were Iranian-speakers. Peoples
of the steppe are known to attack farmers, in this case Europe. They
either kill people or ally with them. In the latter case they don't
accept inferior positions.

Torsten