[tied] Re: "Will the 'real' linguist please stand up?"

From: S.Kalyanaraman
Message: 18943
Date: 2003-02-20

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, Piotr Gasiorowski
<piotr.gasiorowski@...> wrote:> > If the problem is how to sort out
the chronology of IIr. loans into FU, "real linguist" have been
working on it for a long time with a good deal of success, although
in individual instances the borrowed forms may have too few
distinctive traits to be easily attributable to a concrete stratum
of loans.

Thanks for the clarification. I should clarify at the outset, I have
the highest respect for linguistics as a discipline. I am no
linguist, gLeN, and am trying to learn from experts; I have no
problem saying, 'I don't know'. I have a problem with the use of the
terms by some linguists, such as proto-Indo-Aryan and proto-Indo-
Iranian, as if they are different. But then, see what Dixon has to
say:

"What has always filled me with wonder is the assurance with which
many historical linguists assign a date to their reconstructed proto-
language…We are told that proto-Indo-European was spoken about 6,000
years ago. What is known with a fair degree of certainty is the time
between proto-Indo-Aryan and the modern Indo-Aryan languages –
something in the order of 3,000 years. But how can anyone tell that
the development from proto-Indo-European to proto-Indo-Aryan took
another 3,000 years?…Languages are known to change at different
rates. There is no way of knowing how long it took to go from the
presumed homogeneity of proto-Indo-European to the linguistic
diversity of proto-Indo-Iranian, proto-Celtic, proto-Germanic, etc.
The changes could have been rapid or slow. We simply don't know…Why
couldn't proto-Indo-European have been spoken about 10,500 years ago?
…The received opinion of a date of around 6000 BP for proto-Indo-
European…is an ingrained one. I have found this a difficult matter
to get specialists to even discuss. Yet it does seem to be a house
of cards." (Dixon, R.M.W., 1997, The Rise and Fall of Languages,
Cambridge, Cambridge University Press, pp. 47-49).