Re: [tied] decem

From: alex_lycos
Message: 18641
Date: 2003-02-09

Piotr Gasiorowski wrote:
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> From: "alex_lycos" <altamix@...>
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> Subject: Re: [tied] decem
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>> What should speak tough against "*deke" = "ten"?
>> I have an ideea what about but I tell you after your answer (if you
>> have any):-))
>
> It's just a question of semantic plausibility. "Worthy chief" looks
> more reasonable to me than "having ten ..." (insert your favourite
> guess)
>
> Piotr


I dont think that "deke" in decebalus is "ten" because it seems that
palatalisation of /d/ & /t/ in dacian was already closed.
OK, maybe I am wrong and it was not "clöosed" but at least existed forms
with "z" and forms with "d".

the first argument for palatalisation of the "d" is the name of the good
in "Zal-" from PIE *dieWos.
the second argument is the existence of names like Dekebalos and
Dekeneos in the same time with Zeres, Zeizis, etc, with an "e" after
"z". Of course it is a bit weak since we dont know what Zeres meant. It
could be a sonorisation of the pie "s" . One example for this should be
here.
Rom. Word "zer"= whey.
DEX gives ist with unknow ethymology.
There are Latin cognates as "serum"=whey, Greek "oros"
It seems that this "zer" is from an appropiate form like in latin ser-,
and has the same semantism.

Concretly what makes me to think that "deke" in Decebalos" is not "ten",
is the presence of the gloses "Zeces".
From the names which are compounded with "-centus" it seems there are
the numerals:
trai : Traidakos, Traicentus, Traibitus, Traiziua,
doi : Doidakos, Doidalsos,
with "four" I have some troubles but I like to help myself with the
shiboleth of Thorstens
ketri: Ketriporis
for "five" I have nothing, for six and seven too. For eight it can be as
follow:
epta/apta: Eptacentus, Eptela, Eptaporis, Eptidius Aptecentos,
Aptetralis
For "nine" I could not find nothing in such kind of enumerations ( if
they are ), But for "ten" it seems to be:
Zaece: Zaecepor, Zaecetures, Zaecedenthes, Zeces

If there is correct that all these are numerals in teh composed names
from the glosses everyoen cand read, then we can say as fallow:
one : ?
two : doi
three : trai
four : ketri
five : ?
six : ?
seven : ?
eight : apta/epta
nine : ?
ten : zaece



I know, it seems it sounds crazy, but these compounded names seems to
shows numerals.
So, this we I dont think "deke" in Dekebalos is not "ten". There is
already an "zaece" there.

Alex.