Re: [tied] Harii/Hirri into (H)eruli?

--- "Troels Brandt <trbrandt@...>"
<trbrandt@...> wrote:

> --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, george knysh
> <gknysh@...> wrote:
> >
> > --- "Troels Brandt <trbrandt@...>"
> > <trbrandt@...> wrote:
> > the name of the first Herul -
> > > Naulobates - shows up
> > > to be the name of a Bosporan co-ruler 35 years
> > > earlier. This
> > > indicates that groups of Bosporans joined the
> Heruls
> > > - which makes
> > > sense as the Heruls and Goths used the Bosporan
> > > navy. Therefore the
> > > Bosporan language may have had a role in the
> > > development of the name
> > > of the Heruls - especially as the first Roman
> > > contact had a Bosporan
> > > name.
> >
> > GK: Troels, I must admit that this is news
> to
> > me. What is your source for a Bosporan
> "Naulobates"
> > ca. 233 AD? Are you sure this isn't a misread of
> > "Sauromatos"?
> >
>
> This is based on following information from Dirk
> Faltin:
>
> "The name Naulobates usually defies interpretation.
> It is almost
> certaintly not Germanic" ... "In fact, in a
> publication by the Odessa
> Numismatic Museum a rare or unique coin was
> presented, showing the
> twin portraits of the well known Bosporan king
> Sauromates with a co-
> ruler named Naulobates. The coin is believed to
> belong to Sauromates
> III (229-233), hence this Naulobates can hardly be
> the later
> Elurian/Erulian commander. Nevertheless, the name of
> this commander
> is likely Bosporan as well. In fact, compared to
> other Bosporan names
> like Sauromates it even seems to bear a superficial
> resemblence."
>
> I have not had a chance to check the source myself
> yet, but I regard
> Dirk as a specialist in coins.
>
> Troels

*****GK: That he certainly is. But this "Naulobates"
matter is so unusual that you need additional
information before drawing any conclusions. There is
nothing on this on the OVMN website at
www.museum.com.ua but that is not necessarily lethal
since what they present here is rather selective. They
do publish a Bulletin. Perhaps that is where Faltin
took his information from. Perhaps you might ask him
to be more specific. The only known co-ruler of
Sauromatos III is one Kotys, who brought out his own
coins. The reverse of the Sauromatos (and other
Bosporan royal) coins is usually reserved for the
Roman Emperor in the 3rd and 4th centuries. I wouldn't
want to speculate too much here, but until there is
further corroboration, I remain more than highly
skeptical about any "Naulobates" as co-ruler of
Bosporus ca. 233 AD.******






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