Re: Dating Wednesday?

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, Piotr Gasiorowski
<piotr.gasiorowski@...> wrote:

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> To: <cybalist@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2003 1:20 PM
> Subject: [tied] Re: Dating Wednesday?
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> > I don't understand when that High German influence should have

occurred. At no time has Finnish been under High German influence
that wasn't mediated through Swedish. Swedish does not have any 'mid-
week'.

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> Well, what else could it be? The Finnish word does mean 'mid-week'.

Would you rule out a sporadic Germanism? OK, it could be an
independent innovation, cf. Modern Icelandic <miðvikudagur> for
earlier <óðinsdagur>.

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> > And are saying /perjantai/ is the Finnish rendition of

Swedish /fre:dag/? Any other examples of Finnish p- for loaned f- ?

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> From Old Swedish frja:-dagh; the Finnish <-n-> is analogical (as in

<lauantai>, which has it from <sunnuntai> and <maanantai>, where it's
etymological; a possible Germanic parallel is OFris. frigendei).

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> ON stufa --> Finn. tupa
> ON (or PGmc.) naf- --> Finn. napa
> PGmc. *felþu --> Finn. pelto
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> This substitution is found in old loans, but "Friday" is one of

them.

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> Piotr

But how early? The limit is 0 CE. That might be pre-Grimm.

Torsten