[tied] Re: Words versus Roots

From: tgpedersen
Message: 17746
Date: 2003-01-18

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "Glen Gordon" <glengordon01@...>
> Torsten:
> >Unlike te word for "sister" we heave no means of analysing the name
> >for "brother", apart from isolating the final <-ter> itself, as in
> >the case of "mother" and "father". But we can offer no explanation
> >for the root *bHra:-.
> The word *swesor does appear to be composed of *swe "self" or "of
> one's own (family)" and *-sor, a feminine ending.
> However, for the word *bHraxter-, the suffix appears to be *-xter-
> (traditional *-h2ter-) as was suggested by others on this List. The
> suffix is found on the other family terms (*maxter-, *pxter-) and I
> believe that it came about through analogy with *pxter- which we
> know is not divisible as **p-xter- but rather as *px-ter-, meaning
> "provider".
> So, due to the purely analogical origin of the family suffix *-xter-
> the stem *bHraxter- must surely have arose from an earlier inherited
> root without this ending, probably signifying the same. Thus we're
> with a root *bHrax- to contend with. That much appears pretty clear.
> Now perhaps I'm overanalysing but this is my theory on the origin of
> the "brother" term. I can't help but note Etruscan's "brother" word
> /ruva/. To me, it could be related to IE if we presume a Tyrrhenian
> protoform *browa. In Etruscan, *browa would lose the first
consonant of
> the initial cluster in the same manner as Late Tyrrhenian *tresena
> "Trojan, of Troy" appears to become Etruscan /ras'na/ "Etruscan".
> The IndoTyrrhenian link would be *bar-axWe, literally "carried
> or rather "baby brother",

Interesting. I suppose there are two roots her ('bar', 'axWe'). Which
means what? 'bar' "carry" and 'axWe' "brother"?
And with glee I observe that you're still stuck with 'bar'; so
perhaps the whole thing is a loan word from somewhere else into Indo-
Tyrrhenian. And of course, since I want *bH/p-r/l- to mean something
like "across the water", I also particulaly liked 'axWe', if you get
my meaning.

>becoming Mid IE *berawe and early Late IE
> *bHrou(-s&). This form would have become nominative **bHro:us if it
> weren't for the above *-xter- fiasco, which first resulted in
> *bHr(o)uxter-, then via analogy with *ma-xter-, the term would have
> been simplified to *bhraxter-.
> - gLeN