Re: [tied] Re: caleo was [calendar]

From: Piotr Gasiorowski
Message: 17310
Date: 2003-01-01


Germanic *kallo:jan- is a _verb_, and *-o:-j-an- is a string of sufixes making up the ending of the most numerous class of "weak" _infinitives_. An infinitive cannot serve as a personal name. The actual Germanic root here is *kall-, which looks like a reflex of pre-PGmc. *gal-n- (cf. Slavic *golsU 'voice', reduplicated *golgolU > OCS glagolU 'word'). No formal relation to Lat. calo:, which however appears to be related to Gk. kaleo: 'call, summon, invoke'.

Greek kalos (< kalwos) means 'beautiful, fair, handsome, shapely, fine' etc., exactly as George said.


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From: <alexmoeller@...>
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Sent: Wednesday, January 01, 2003 10:33 PM
Subject: Re: [tied] Re: caleo was [calendar]

gs001ns@... wrote:
> alex wrote:
>> I find very interesting to see the P.Gmc *kallojan here, this
>> word being the name of Ionita Caloian , being too the Romanian
>> tradition of
> It is rather a nickname in... Greek: "Kaloiannis" ("kalo" =
> "handsome, beautiful" + "Ioannes/Ioannis"). This is why, in
> Romanian history text books this monarch is called "Ionitsa
> cel Frumos" (the same way as a certain French king - around
> 1300 - is called "Filip cel Frumos" in Romanian).
> ad multos annos,
> George

well, hmmmm.. hehe was Phillipe (IV) le Bel called "Calloian" too?Or
better said, is the Ionitsa Caloian known as Ionitsa le Bel in the
french history?:-))
We know about the brother of Vlad Tsepes , the son of Vlad Dracul, being
too a prince and his name was Radu cel Frumos= Radu the Handsome. But he
was never called "Caloian".
As far as your Greek "kalo"= handsome I am not so sure.

I found out, in the Greek language "handsome", " beautiful "= ...(oraios, omorfos)

If you take a look for Greek "kalo" you will find: kalo= summon, kalo
onoma= reputation

Tough, I keep in mind, it could be that someone will show about Greek
"kalo"= " handsome" . As usual I know just a little "kalimera"= good
day, "kali spera"= good evening or something like this. If the Greeks
have had any reason for calling Ionitsa Caloian as "Ionitsa the Good" I
doubt. Anyway, the greek "kalo" here has nothing to do with latin

I suspect your Romanian historians have a bad habit sometimes:-))